I was a state delegate and he was running for office and I walked by his booth and I swear you couldn't tell if he liked BYU or Utah more by how much of both paraphernalia he had there so I asked him about it and he said "I've gotta make both fan bases happy" to which I replied, "be true to your school." I feel like he's very wishy washy and even somewhat anti modern-day BYU.