You can't have it both ways; you can't rely on rate stats if a player retired

Feb 25, 2021
4:15:33pm

Scratch All-American

early and compare those rate stats to guys who played longer and had their rate stats drop accordingly. And on top of that his peak stats are not all the impressive for a HOF candidate.

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Originally posted on Feb 25, 2021 at 4:15:33pm

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POLL: Is this player a Hall of Famer?

CaliWG

2/25/21 3:33pm

TNT always thinks there is an agenda when the players name is not listed

TNT

2/25/21 3:36pm

TNT is more astute than people think

CaliWG

2/25/21 3:36pm

Did you just call him a donkey?

TNT

2/25/21 3:37pm

Only if that donkey is letting one rip

CaliWG

2/25/21 3:39pm

No, not as a first baseman. Need more offense for a first baseman to make it.

Scratch

2/25/21 3:39pm

Stats of a 1B that everyone considers a solid Hall of Famer

CaliWG

2/25/21 3:48pm

Longevity is important, and it's absurd to claim that everyone believes Cepeda

Scratch

2/25/21 3:51pm

Doesn’t matter. Compare him to all other HOF 1Bs, not just the lowest bar.

TCuz

2/25/21 3:53pm

He retired early. Thats the sticking point. Who else retired with those numbers?

CaliWG

2/25/21 4:09pm

And yet his WAR7, which only measures peak years, is his lowest benchmark.

TCuz

2/25/21 4:14pm

You can't have it both ways; you can't rely on rate stats if a player retired

Scratch

2/25/21 4:15pm

They retired at the same age of 36

CaliWG

2/25/21 4:18pm

Who are you talking about? I'm confused; your statement above was "who else

Scratch

2/25/21 4:22pm

Who else has hurt their HOF case on the basis of advanced metrics by retiring?

CaliWG

2/25/21 5:05pm

If he's a Giant, no.

StantonMac

2/25/21 3:41pm

Based on the comparisons there, I'd say borderline NO.

volleyjiver

2/25/21 3:47pm

Seasons above HOF Averages: BA (8), OBP (12), SLG (13), OPS (12), OPS+ (10)

CaliWG

2/25/21 4:03pm

Sadly no he is not

bluelands

2/25/21 3:48pm

His HOF trajectory fell off once he got out of AAAA

shimmy

2/25/21 3:57pm

Will Clark?

RC Vikings

2/25/21 3:57pm

I do have to say he’s a better candidate than Tim Lincecum, so you’re making progress on these polls!

TCuz

2/25/21 4:02pm

I love Will Clark. I always wonder why he retired, especially when he tore it

BYUheaven

2/25/21 4:23pm

He had a young boy at the time with autism

bluelands

2/25/21 4:30pm

I loved that Will Clark swing, he and Junior Griffey.

BYUfan92

2/25/21 8:02pm

As a kid I asked him for an autograph. He said no. I never liked him after that.

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