that way.... Neither one of them went to BYU.... one of them used to say this about BYU "Youth conference ought to last Three Days".... but he paid the price... Big Tuition for his kids... Welysleyn, Columbia, Cornell, Penn State... all out of state tuitions... then youngest son put his foot down and said "I am going to BYU!" Came hear playing club soccer ... his Dad came to town once and while we were waiting in son's dorm room to head out to do a thing or two, his Dad idly started flipping through the pages of his roommates Calculus book... I couldn't help but notice this weird strange look that came across his face... like "what? they teach REAL Calculus here?" and he would know having a phd in Electrical Engineering... I think all the SUPER expensive out of state tuition flashed through his mind at that instance.... it was a FUN moment for me!