Aug 4, 2021
8:19:28am
krindorr Truly Addicted User
True, some research costs more so $ isn't a good estimate; let's use output then

NOTE: Please see my take at the bottom, even if you don't want to look through the data.  It's marked in a different, larger font so you can skip to it if you prefer


Looking at the total output, as measured by http://nturanking.csti.tw/, which is generally the standard for these things, here's where BYU falls among PAC12, Big12 and other discussed expansion candidates:


RankNameAffiliationR1 or R2NTU 2020 Ranks
1StanfordPAC1212
2WashingtonPAC1218
3UCLAPAC12112
4CalPAC12116
5TexasBig 12169
6USCPAC12184
7ColoradoPAC12191
8ArizonaPAC121106
9UtahPAC121112
10Arizona StatePAC121187
11CincinnatiAAC1188
12USFAAC1246
13Iowa StateBig 121255
14Colorado StMWC1286
15Oregon StPAC121321
16Washington StPAC121337
17Notre DameIndy1353
18OregonPAC121381
19HoustonAAC1394
20KansasBig 121399
21Oklahoma StBig 121432
22Texas TechBig 121443
23West VirginiaBig 121451
24Kansas StBig 121463
25UCFAAC1464
26BaylorBig 122465
27SDSUMWC2501-550
28OklahomaBig 121501-550
29BYUIndy2600-650
30UNLVMWC1751-800
31TCUBig 122801+
32MemphisAAC2801+
33SMUAAC2801+
34BoiseMWC2801+

You'll note that (with the exception of UNLV and possibly Oklahoma) R1/R2 designation (which looks at $) corresponds pretty closely with output.  If you're top 450 or so in output, you're Tier 1, then 450-550 is a mix of Tier 1 and Tier 2 and everything below that is Tier 2.


For what it's worth, if you look at BYU's ratings broken down by subject (available at http://nturanking.csti.tw/ranking/bySchoolName/Brigham%20Young%20University), you're correct that BYU's strongest research areas are psych, economics, social science, computer science and mechanical engineering, just as you suggested. But even in the best of those, they're not top 200.


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Which again I'll emphasis is FINE.  BYU has a different mindset and prioritizes education over research.  Frankly (despite being in academia myself), I think that's better than how most universities approach it, and it's one of the things I value about BYU.  We're different; let's embrace and accept that instead of continuing to take offense that we don't do as much research as schools that prioritize that over education.

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