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May 12, 2024
3:32:57am
Alan Schaefer Walk-on
I’m not sure how to respond… I never said or meant that “clear and present
danger” was any sortve legal rule or standard. I’m fully aware of the use of force continuum, and the legal standard for lethal force.

It was literally just a term I pulled out of my head to describe what I feel like would need to happen in order for a modern day, current climate police officer to be justified in the legal court, AND in the court of public opinion. Especially since in the last 10 years, and specifically the “summer of love” 2020, this two things are intertwined together more than ever.

I also never said anything about a gun needing to be pointing at an officer first. Or that a warning or command needs to be used first. That’s just dumb and stupid.

So again, im not quite sure how to respond to your reply to my post when you straw man’d the two points that you “corrected” me on.

When I said “its” taught at any academy or training, I meant they train them that there needs to be more than just someone holding a gun, pointing down at the ground, in order to shoot someone. NOT that they teach a thing called “clear and present danger”.

And to put a bow on it, all of what I said was based on if the only facts of the case are that the deputy went to wrong apartment, tenant answered the door with a gun in his hand that was NOT pointing at the officer, just holding a gun, and the officer shot him.

There ain’t a snowballs chance in heck that if that’s all that happened, that it will be deemed an awful but lawful shooting. No way. It doesn’t matter if the idiot cop says he felt in immediate danger for his life or whatever. You can’t just shoot someone in that “totality of circumstances”.

I explained in the first post I did on this thread that the likelihood of that being all the facts and circumstances is very low, and that their is probably a lot more to what happened than what is being reported so far.
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