And 12-15 with Garland and Mobley and no Mitchell. A good young core shouldn’t have a drop off like that.

Old jazz team, 2 small guards and 2 bigs and a budget 3&D wing Royce O’Neal = Okoro).

The key difference is Garland is a little better offensively than Rubio, but a much worse defender.

How that Cavs front office thought this team would work if beyond me. They overachieved - just like those Jazz teams.

They can win games against other flawed teams but the minute you go up against a team with actual wings and a big that can spread the floor (2024 Celtics = 2018&2019 Rockets) they are toast.

Then they ran it back with the hopes George Niang and Struss (who had a few good playoff games last year but isn’t that great if a floor spacer) would make it all better.

Mitchell leaving would be better for both parties.