Also, the tenure process 35 years ago is nothing compared to today

Jul 6, 2015
10:34:44am

runnincoug

Full profs will attest to that. Expectations are much, much higher for new professors now than they used to be. It's a very rigorous process.

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Things that Big Academia gets away with that nobody ever publicly challenges

jrifkin48

7/6/15 6:47am

The math book thing is insane

Busiturtle

7/6/15 6:49am

For BYU-Provo profs it is a calling, not just a job to make money.

Lawbronc

7/6/15 8:25am

What is BYU-Provo? Is that a high school or something? Never heard of it before.

mikecito

7/6/15 9:09am

There are many economists in the private sector, but # 4 is right on.

Freddie Cougar

7/6/15 7:05am

any evidence?

soulcoug

7/6/15 7:40am

RE: any evidence?

workindev

7/6/15 7:54am

these are not normal professors

soulcoug

7/6/15 8:12am

RE: any evidence?

Freddie Cougar

7/6/15 8:23am

Have a couple econcomics profs in the family- they make bank

Nigel_Darkhardt

7/6/15 8:46am

RE: Things that Big Academia gets away with that nobody ever publicly challenges

Gustav

7/6/15 7:20am

We disagree frequently, Gustav, but I completely agree with this post.

WhiteKnight

7/6/15 7:27am

There certainly are academics getting paid extravagant salaries, and many more

workindev

7/6/15 7:35am

I just looked at your list, and they are ALL working in Medical schools

WhiteKnight

7/6/15 7:42am

Here are some other departments at the Unversity of Texas

workindev

7/6/15 7:50am

Those are indeed well paid professors

WhiteKnight

7/6/15 7:55am

<< Deleted >> (double post)

WhiteKnight

7/6/15 8:04am

Good points. I agree that those salaries aren't extravagant, and I agree that

workindev

7/6/15 8:14am

Right, full professors are just the very top of a typical department

Gustav

7/6/15 8:19am

The real data on faculty salaries

runnincoug

7/6/15 8:10am

Private industry PhDs don't earn close to 3 times as much

CSoul

7/6/15 8:18am

bloated administrative services is spot on ...

runnincoug

7/6/15 8:20am

I didn't say 3x as much

runnincoug

7/6/15 8:22am

The problem is that in the private sector a lot of the professors who get tenure

CSoul

7/6/15 8:36am

Only about 60% make tenure at major universities

runnincoug

7/6/15 9:01am

"much less rigorous" is probably an understatement.

benny1982

7/6/15 9:21am

Also, the tenure process 35 years ago is nothing compared to today

runnincoug

7/6/15 10:34am

She was speaking about the process today. She's the head of her department,

benny1982

7/6/15 10:38am

Right. Her comment that it's very hard is correct. I'm more commenting about

runnincoug

7/6/15 10:46am

I should have mentioned and you are right that the tenure track rate is

CSoul

7/6/15 9:23am

Mid-150k with 10+% 401k contributions, beyond amazing health benefits...

sheriffcreg

7/6/15 8:29am

Wow, lots of bad information in your post.

runnincoug

7/6/15 8:37am

It's like any other book. The popular textbooks make the author a lot of money

Freddie Cougar

7/6/15 8:34am

When did putting Big in front of an industry become like putting gate after a

concolor couguar

7/6/15 7:23am

#3 I disagree. Some people just love to teach

WhiteKnight

7/6/15 7:25am

A couple things you got right and a couple wrong

runnincoug

7/6/15 7:26am

#1 is the main reason I didn't crack open my books in college

ballen

7/6/15 7:29am

It's the main reason I didn't get half of my textbooks in college. Pretty

tebowned

7/6/15 7:31am

Agree with most. At least in the Marriott School, all the professors I had

maxpowers

7/6/15 7:33am

Please do some Big Research before spouting off,

soulcoug

7/6/15 7:34am

The biggest one in my mind

Twin Roots

7/6/15 7:49am

I've been doing a ton of research lately on a somewhat relevant subject and I

Epileptic Beagle

7/6/15 8:17am

As far as causes of rising costs go, you can point in plenty of directions

Gustav

7/6/15 8:24am

And if we are honest, another factor is athletic drains on the general budget

runnincoug

7/6/15 8:32am

Actually, education is the one industry where salaries are almost universally

Josef K

7/6/15 8:24am

Sounds like a pretty good gig. Maybe you should get a PhD / become a professor?

B-town_coug

7/6/15 9:17am

I agree with most of these points. Regarding #3, in my experience it was a mixed

CanuckUte

7/6/15 9:20am

Big Academia v. private sector

valcorger

7/6/15 9:38am

Big Academia v. BIG private sector

concolor couguar

7/6/15 9:41am

I sell my books back and get well over 50% back. I don't lose 80%.

spugeddy24

7/6/15 9:53am

I bought my books online early and sold them back to the bookstore early.

thecelloguy

7/6/15 8:38pm

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