and herein lies the institutional problem. the idea of doing good and winning

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Nov 30, 2015
10:38:27am

nashty All-American

and herein lies the institutional problem. the idea of doing good and winning

football games at the highest level are NOT mutually exclusive. said that is the effect crowton had on this program. he basically scared the BOT into thinking you had to cheat and steal your way to the top of college football. that's not true.

until BOT (and LDS church) fully back BYU football we'll continue to run a 7-9 win program that does lots of cute missionary stuff.

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nashty

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If you look at the way Bronco is leading these young men, and what he is

socorny

11/30/15 10:25am

What is he teaching them on and off the field that makes him one of the best coaches?

11/30/15 10:26am

Seriously? Honestly, integrity, obedience, values, morals, etc, etc, etc...

socorny

11/30/15 10:30am

And other college football coaches don't do that? The BYU atmosphere would seem to reenforce those characteristics

11/30/15 10:34am

I hear those are high on the list for Urban Meyer, Saban etc.

Beggar

11/30/15 10:38am

They are for Saban. He loses a fair amount of kids to discipline issues.

11/30/15 10:43am

You should read The System. Saban's actually a pretty class act. Loves his

P-townCoug

11/30/15 10:52am

Agreed great book.

11/30/15 10:54am

Man... you truly live in a bubble sir... way to back up the stereotype

11/30/15 10:35am

So things that are not unique to BYU or Mormonism?

SBJ

11/30/15 10:35am

No, but they are unique to many football players and programs througout

socorny

11/30/15 10:41am

RE: No, but they are unique to many football players and programs througout

DapperDan

11/30/15 10:42am

Do you just ignore the fact that BYU has suspensions for off or on the field

SBJ

11/30/15 10:49am

It's also why my Pee-wee coaches, high school coach, my baseball coach, and my

The Dude Abides

11/30/15 10:39am

College football is much different animal, Dude.

socorny

11/30/15 10:43am

I disagree. You convinced me. Leaders of men in honesty, integrity, values, etc

The Dude Abides

11/30/15 10:47am

his job is to win football games. and the whole "father figure life-changer"

nashty

11/30/15 10:28am

Have we actually ever read Bronco's job description as written in his contract?

ByuMba90

11/30/15 10:30am

It's actually in CHOI #2 between dedicating graves and duties of ward bulletin board specialist

byuTX

11/30/15 10:31am

If he is getting 7 figure's to be a life coach 1st...

11/30/15 10:36am

Then complain to BYU and the Church and don't complain about Bronco doing what

ByuMba90

11/30/15 10:39am

He's only #1 in firesides cause he's the only one really doing them with any type of effort or regularity

byuTX

11/30/15 10:47am

Bronco has set his priorities on his own...

11/30/15 10:47am

His bosses don't seem to be complaining or at all anxious about his methods. So

ByuMba90

11/30/15 10:52am

The opinion of a bunch of old dudes that don't care about football shouldn't be how you measure a coach's ability

byuTX

11/30/15 11:31am

And he does. Top 25 among active coaches.

Bert609

11/30/15 10:32am

i like bronco...i don't want to fire him. we need the BOT to step up to the

nashty

11/30/15 10:40am

If that is the case, why wasn't he asked any football questions during his job

workindev

11/30/15 10:33am

which is why i believe things won't change if we fire bronco. being "stuck"

nashty

11/30/15 10:41am

There are lots of people who don't think it's a problem. BYU will never

workindev

11/30/15 10:45am

actually, given BYU's obsession with image and perception it really is one and

nashty

11/30/15 10:59am

I'm not sure I understand your point. Are you saying that expectations for

workindev

11/30/15 11:15am

and also.....everyone in this twitter age will run a "clean program" at byu.

11/30/15 10:33am

I disagree. As head of the BYU FB program I doubt there is much difference

socorny

11/30/15 10:34am

You chose the correct username sir

TNT

11/30/15 10:38am

That isn't was his job description stated.

Triggerhappybunny

11/30/15 10:34am

and herein lies the institutional problem. the idea of doing good and winning

nashty

11/30/15 10:38am

I wouldn't specifically pin that attitude solely on Crowton. It happened under

ByuMba90

11/30/15 10:43am

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Triggerhappybunny

11/30/15 10:44am

I think high standards and elite football are pretty close to being mutually

workindev

11/30/15 10:51am

lol. Too bad he didn't feel like Covey was worth being led

byuTX

11/30/15 10:29am

How many suspended players have we had this year due to off the field issues?

11/30/15 10:34am

I'd like to bear my Bronco-mony

Funke

11/30/15 10:35am

That I know this coach is true.

PharmCoug

11/30/15 10:51am

he nourishes and strengthens my body

BlueFrog

11/30/15 10:53am

Great post!

Cougarpride

11/30/15 10:40am

Thanks, CP. Jeez, I make a positive post about the HC on my team's

socorny

11/30/15 11:27am

No one, not even Ute or Aggie fans, hate Bronco more than some Cougarboarders

BeardedSpock

11/30/15 12:27pm

That's b/c he's provided them w/ wins

P-townCoug

11/30/15 12:35pm

Another broncamonial about off field. This is the crowd that would be fine with

11/30/15 12:12pm

Probably why he is the coach, and you're not.

rockhound

11/30/15 12:55pm

You can easily make that trade. There are 127 FBS teams that don't have these

workindev

11/30/15 1:03pm

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