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Carnac el Magnifico

Previous username: The Royal Punter
New username: Carnac
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Joined: Dec 22, 2007
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I just drove down to Provo and back to SLC for a meeting. I don't think I could

Flippy

2/10/16 2:24pm

Today is the worst day this winter so far.

Carnac el Magnifico

2/10/16 2:25pm

I'm surprised you found your way without being able to see the mountains.

PharmD

2/10/16 2:26pm

How did he even know which direction he was headed?!

YIsForBrigham

2/10/16 2:27pm

Today some of that is fog. Was this morning anyway.

soupie

2/10/16 2:26pm

Left SLC at 9:30, returned at noon. It was gray and hazy the entire way.

Flippy

2/10/16 2:27pm

80's and 90's the inversion was much, much worse......

Bonoman

2/10/16 2:28pm

Yeah, mid to late 80s were awful. This year is minor. People just complain more now.

Turnpike Lane

2/10/16 2:48pm

I wish there were numbers to back that up. I've lived here all my life, and I

Cougarfan777

2/10/16 2:56pm

I agree. I've only been here since 1992 but I don't recall any week this bad.

Finngirl

2/10/16 3:02pm

I did find a live SLC haze cam earlier today

Yoshinobu

2/10/16 2:28pm

Go to airnow.gov and click on the Current AQI tab.

Dr taylore90

2/10/16 2:32pm

As a Utahn I own it. I've been gulping in lungfuls as a matter of pride.

Carnac el Magnifico

2/10/16 2:34pm

^Regularly drinks fry sauce through a straw

Dr taylore90

2/10/16 2:36pm

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Carnac el Magnifico

2/10/16 2:37pm

I take fry souce intravenously

Carnac el Magnifico

2/10/16 2:38pm

Oh my...

Dr taylore90

2/10/16 2:39pm

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Buffalo

2/10/16 2:34pm

Yes. It's disgusting. I can't believe most of you act like it's no big deal.

Flippy

2/10/16 2:35pm

He's worried about all the dolphins living in Utah that have to breathe it.

Carnac el Magnifico

2/10/16 2:36pm

Nope. I just moved from a place with nice air and realized how crappy it is here

Flippy

2/10/16 2:37pm

Luckily it is temporary in SLC

Carnac el Magnifico

2/10/16 2:39pm

And then again in the summer.

foofcoug

2/10/16 2:57pm

it USED to be a few weeks in January. Now it starts in December and depending on the winter,

Finngirl

2/10/16 3:03pm

This winter has NOT been as bad as many past winters, but this week has been

ByuMba90

2/10/16 2:37pm

I was planning on a nice outdoor bike ride on Saturday...I think I'll just skip

PharmD

2/10/16 2:37pm

Just get above the inversion

Carnac el Magnifico

2/10/16 2:40pm

I guess that's why everybody loves Utah's snow and mountains:

Yoshinobu

2/10/16 2:42pm

How do you think the canyon roads will be on a bike?

PharmD

2/10/16 2:42pm

lol...true

Carnac el Magnifico

2/10/16 2:46pm

Yeah, no good on your lungs to do that.

Finngirl

2/10/16 3:04pm

It's a gorgeous, sunny, blue sky day up here in Park City!

Rise Against

2/10/16 2:38pm

By "up here" do you mean North or South?

YIsForBrigham

2/10/16 2:40pm

He means east and up about 2,000 feet in elevation

Carnac el Magnifico

2/10/16 2:41pm

east is up and west is down

budYu

2/10/16 2:56pm

Been a mild year for inversions. Almost had none in January, which is amazing.

Cougarfan777

2/10/16 2:51pm

I guess it's something that everyone who decides to live in Utah must come to

Flippy

2/10/16 2:55pm

It's awful. There is no other words for it. My goal is to get out when the

Cougarfan777

2/10/16 3:04pm

Hmmm...I love it here. Just needs less Ute fans.

PharmD

2/10/16 3:07pm

What you fail to understand is it's not that bad is a shortcut. Today is quite bad. It's not very frequent. Infrequently

TaiJuan

2/10/16 3:00pm

it is much worse than it used to be. Maybe the legislators will pay attention when its as bad as China.

Finngirl

2/10/16 3:06pm

Better yet, maybe the transplants who spend their lives shaking their fists at the Utah legislature will pack their

TaiJuan

2/10/16 3:09pm

"Pre-Columbian days".... LOL

Finngirl

2/10/16 3:21pm

What's the LOL for? 1846 works fine for me too. The geography was the same.

TaiJuan

2/10/16 3:23pm

You're basically denying that there is crap in the air that wasn't there 150 years ago.

Finngirl

2/10/16 3:25pm

No. You are one of the most dishonest posters here, so let me spell it out for you. I admitted there is pollution. I

TaiJuan

2/10/16 3:28pm

So you do admit there is pollution. And its worse than in years previous? Yes?

Finngirl

2/10/16 3:48pm

Forgive me for thinking you are dismissing pollution when you say this:

Finngirl

2/10/16 3:49pm

You seem to be thinking that Fog and haze did not exist before humans started burning things.

TaiJuan

2/10/16 3:53pm

No, I am thinking you were unclear in your post.

Finngirl

2/10/16 3:59pm

Do you understand that temperature and geography create the temperature inversion? The temperature inversion exacerbates

TaiJuan

2/10/16 4:19pm

Yes, I am clear on how inversions "exacerbate" the impact of pollution.

Finngirl

2/10/16 4:29pm

Hold the phone. What do you mean by climate control?

TaiJuan

2/10/16 4:39pm

You know what I mean, but lets not trash this (marginally productive) thread for a "Is there

Finngirl

2/10/16 4:57pm

Absolutely.

TaiJuan

2/10/16 3:52pm

Good to know.

Finngirl

2/10/16 3:58pm

Do you have an opinion as to what can be done to remediate it?

Finngirl

2/10/16 4:00pm

Sure. California-level emissions for vehicles. No woodburning except under certain very rare exceptions. There are limit

TaiJuan

2/10/16 4:16pm

I dont know the number but its something ridic, like in the double digits, of wood burning homes left in UT.

Finngirl

2/10/16 4:26pm

You've hit on the head why this isn't easy to solve. Reducing building and vehicle emissions isn't easy without major

TaiJuan

2/10/16 4:44pm

It's very easy to disincentivize driving.

Finngirl

2/10/16 4:56pm

No, I don't care about that debate. I care about whether you think Climate Chane is what causes inversions. And if so,

TaiJuan

2/10/16 5:00pm

Meant for question above.

TaiJuan

2/10/16 5:01pm

I am not interested in a debate on whether you think climate change is real or not.

Finngirl

2/10/16 5:05pm

Nor a debate on, assuming you think its real, whether it impacts the severity of inversions.

Finngirl

2/10/16 5:06pm

Okay, but clear up for me the salient issue. What do you think causes inversions and how does climate change impact it?

TaiJuan

2/10/16 5:07pm

I did not invite climate change to this party, you did. So explain your position or apologize for trying to take us down

TaiJuan

2/10/16 5:09pm

I will re-write my statement above to just address my main point, which was pollution.

Finngirl

2/10/16 5:20pm

If you want to play scientist and link something supporting you position (the AGW makes inversions worse) I will be

TaiJuan

2/10/16 5:26pm

I think its been covered once or twice on the board.

Finngirl

2/10/16 6:23pm

One of the two of us is confused. I hope it isn't me, but I have never seen a comparison between AGW and its

TaiJuan

2/10/16 6:52pm

How do you disincentivize driving. The details are what matter here. New building standards are fine.

TaiJuan

2/10/16 5:05pm

Cost. How do you disincentivize anything?

Finngirl

2/10/16 5:22pm

That's a dodge. Give me something concrete. We talking gas tax? Mileage rationing? What?

TaiJuan

2/10/16 5:27pm

yes, and yes, or a combination

Finngirl

2/10/16 6:23pm

Those aren't politically feasible, IMO. The ones big enough to make a difference would be hugely disruptive to peoples'

TaiJuan

2/10/16 6:49pm

I disagree.

Finngirl

2/11/16 10:31am

maybe when pregnant women can't be pregnant for 6 months, instead of "just" 2 months,

Finngirl

2/11/16 10:56am

I am pretty sure holding refineries to the law, which already exists, is not untenable.

Finngirl

2/10/16 4:27pm

We're not even in the unhealthy category yet. With snow cover on the ground you

93 cougar

2/10/16 3:03pm

Not true; we are in the "Unhealthy" category. 153 where "everyone will experience health effects" and

Finngirl

2/10/16 3:07pm

Small part of SLC is 153 but most is still orange.

93 cougar

2/10/16 4:46pm

if we are looking at the same chart, I think you may be confusing the forecast (orange) with the current (red).

Finngirl

2/10/16 4:59pm

No I was looking at the current. Maybe it was differing based on the city?

93 cougar

2/10/16 10:05pm

You drove? Why not take FrontRunner and not gunk up the air for the rest of us?

Cachanilla83

2/10/16 3:50pm

I was up at the U today. I think it was worse over by the mountains and up on

BlazersCougarsDucks

2/10/16 4:52pm

It might look bad, but unlike China this doesn't cause asthma

Jamesiator

2/10/16 5:50pm

sunny and 60 degrees in Denver

Jimmy Rocket

2/11/16 12:48pm

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