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Oct 29, 2012
1:54:18pm
You are in over your head.
Half of your points are answered in my previous post.

1939 Oregon was not considered a National Championship by anyone that knows the history of the game; neither was 1942 Stanford. And you missed a Championship by CU. Utah has a NC, but it's not the one you think. You've been reading "Blitz Kids," too much. *Arnie Ferrin has said time and again over the years that Utah's 1947 NIT Championship was the real NC; as you know, Utah was bounced in the first round of the all-around proclaimed NC Saint John's in 1944.

Your comeback: "But Utah beat Saint John's in a Red Cross Charity game after the season was over." Neato. 2 SJ players didn't play in that game (one had already departed for the armed forces), and SJ started all seniors. They played it for what it was; a charity match. Utah, and a couple papers wanted it to be important, and the Utes played like it was the world companionship and won. Sort of like KW does with the BYU vs. Utah charity gold event each year (even though BYU could bring in far better ringers than lousy-golf-school-that-has-never-beaten-BYU-in-golf school Utah could). Utah had their chance in the NIT, but got whipped in the first round. Most historians count 1946 as the year that the NCAA gained a roughly equal standing with the NIT. That equal standing lasted until circa 1954. After that the balance of power shifted permanently over to the NCAA tournament. So, in 1940, CU was the National Champion. Every media outlet proclaimed it. Anyway, there is your history lesson for the day. Utah won a sort of "co-national championship" in 1947. The only team of the era to win the "grand slam" as it was called, was CCNY in 1950. Everyone else was only able to win one or the other. I'm not knocking your 1947 NIT championship; to do so would be to go against the grain of recorded history.

Utah, Cal, Arizona, UCLA, and CU have at least one NC in basketball.

But really...you are going to brag up 50+ year old titles as the reason the PAC-12 is good at basketball? Since the advent of the polls (1950 for college basketball), 3 PAC-12 schools have won titles. And yes, I love college sports history. It's just not a reason commonly used to indicate relevance for today. San Francisco won 2 outright NC's in 1955 and 1956, and a shared title in 1949. But nobody is saying that this makes them a relevant program today.
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