My Account
Report problem with this ad
Start a related thread
Start a related poll
Reply via Boardmail
Oct 7, 2015
10:48
:10
am
Bob Vance
Funny, I misunderstood the tone of your comment. Looks like same page.
Start a related thread
Start a related poll
Reply via Boardmail
Report problem with this ad
Bob Vance
Bio page
Bob Vance
Joined
Feb 13, 2006
Last login
Jun 19, 2024
Total posts
51,764 (7,124 FO)
Report problem with this ad
Messages
Author
Time
A black eye on BYU?
newbie
10/7/15 9:07am
Yes. I believe it's been discussed a few times on here in the past.
benny1982
10/7/15 9:10am
Or it could be a situation where, since we only ever hear one side of the
benny1982
10/7/15 9:12am
It is the policy. It's right there in the honor code
DapperDan
10/7/15 9:47am
it's not true, remember Luke Ashworth left the church and still stayed at BYU
JONBOY
10/7/15 9:10am
it is true, but exceptions can be made
cougarmanguy
10/7/15 9:14am
Doesn't hurt to be a starter on the football team
Saxa
10/7/15 10:32am
Ashworth made his change well before becoming a starter.
NewMexiCoug
10/7/15 9:03pm
RE: it's not true, remember Luke Ashworth left the church and still stayed at
foofcoug
10/7/15 9:14am
I'd be curious to know how the exceptions to endorsement process works
Mems
10/7/15 9:24am
Did he "disaffiliate" or just go less active? Maybe there is a difference there
blueaussie
10/7/15 9:18am
He became a born-again christian
g$
10/7/15 10:09am
Yea I just kind of wondered if maybe it didn't become official til after he left
blueaussie
10/7/15 12:17pm
RE: He became a born-again christian
TaiJuan
10/7/15 12:24pm
Ao disadfiliation is having your name removed from the records of the church.
blueaussie
10/7/15 12:56pm
He joined another church. You can petition to stay.
gwalker
10/7/15 10:10am
I don't know if expel is the right word, but you are no longer in good standing
Baron
10/7/15 9:13am
That makes no sense
southernfriedcougar
10/7/15 9:19am
It's so ironic how often the HC HIGHLY incentivizes students to be dishonest.
Byron McNertney
10/7/15 9:31am
I don't get the idea that BYU is violating someone's "religious liberty" by not
hansel
10/7/15 9:14am
They can go elsewhere. They don't have to go to BYU.
foofcoug
10/7/15 9:21am
Isn't it taught that they should be loving and welcoming to everyone?
Ygirl
10/8/15 9:30am
This is different. The symposium relates to religious freedoms. BYU's policy
Baron
10/7/15 9:22am
And that's not an unreasonable conclusion. The other side is that religous
TaiJuan
10/7/15 9:27am
He's not talking about the principle of religious freedom generally. If he
hansel
10/7/15 9:27am
The policy isn't limiting their right to express or practice religious freedom
morningcalmcougar
10/8/15 5:37am
And what if they still agree to abide by the honor code?
Ygirl
10/8/15 8:46am
"These aren't anti Mormons were talking about."
TaiJuan
10/8/15 8:52am
My thoughts exactly
morningcalmcougar
10/8/15 7:50pm
But these are people already attending BYU and having that taken away for a
DoseOfReality
10/7/15 9:24am
No doubt there is more to the story, but I doubt the Trib searched too hard, b/c
Iman23
10/7/15 9:17am
I find that illogical, it is discrimination against LDS members. A Catholic at
DoseOfReality
10/7/15 9:21am
There is no equal protection argument here. You might not like how it looks, but
TaiJuan
10/7/15 9:24am
There is much latitude afforded to religious schools, but it is not limitless.
DoseOfReality
10/7/15 9:29am
If you want to wade in here with some conclusions, I would like to see the cases
TaiJuan
10/7/15 9:31am
Religious institutions can discriminate on a religious basis. It's fundamental.
TaiJuan
10/7/15 9:31am
Agree, but public opinion does matter to the reputation of the institution
zuxvon
10/7/15 11:30am
They charge different faiths different tuition rates, looks legal to me.
Mems
10/7/15 9:36am
You do realize that the equal protection guarantees in the Constitution
jbcoug
10/7/15 9:38am
it's not a legal issue
cougarmanguy
10/7/15 9:24am
I think it has to depend on the circumstances. There are certainly situations
Bob Vance
10/7/15 9:28am
But the church knew that going in with the Catholic.
Coach's Dad
10/7/15 9:54am
Here's an old thread on the same issue.
TaiJuan
10/7/15 9:22am
Well, there is no question that their tuition should have to go up
Bob Vance
10/7/15 9:26am
Expelling a student for sedition is very different than for religious reasons.
Byron McNertney
10/7/15 9:35am
Sedition is the only way to fight against the school?
Bob Vance
10/7/15 9:40am
So...you agree with me? Your tone says you don't, your words say you do.
Byron McNertney
10/7/15 9:44am
Funny, I misunderstood the tone of your comment. Looks like same page.
Bob Vance
10/7/15 10:48am
I think I tried to agree and add to your comment in 80 characters. Not easy.
Byron McNertney
10/7/15 11:20am
Definitely depends on the circumstances - that's why the rule should focus on
jayriggity
10/7/15 9:53am
I completely agree. And don't see anything wrong with raising tuition for anyone
Ygirl
10/8/15 9:19am
BYU has the right to do it. But it's a dumb policy.
Jeremy
10/7/15 9:33am
I think this is probably the right answer. Faith crises aren't easy for anyone
Iman23
10/7/15 9:36am
From the church's view, wouldn't they want to keep students who are questioning
Ygirl
10/8/15 9:27am
Questioning faith is not usually the same as removing a name from the records.
TaiJuan
10/8/15 9:45am
Also, I don't claim to be LDS anymore but BYU is a great school I considered
Ygirl
10/8/15 9:28am
What if someone comes in as a non-member, joins the Church
argla
10/7/15 9:33am
If they voluntarily disaffiliate, they lose honor code standing.
TaiJuan
10/7/15 9:36am
True but I think the point is, it shouldn't be grounds for loss of standing
Iman23
10/7/15 9:37am
I don't know that I fully agree
cougarmanguy
10/7/15 9:55am
It looks bad. Put yourself on the outside looking in. It makes it seem that BYU
pink22
10/7/15 9:44am
I think your last sentence outlines what I think as well.
Turnpike Lane
10/7/15 9:56am
How do you determine whether they are doing that or going to do that though?
Coach's Dad
10/7/15 9:58am
they still have to receive an ecclesiastical endorsement
g$
10/7/15 10:18am
The same way it's done now
pink22
10/7/15 10:31am
My policy thoughts, if I were in charge...
TaiJuan
10/7/15 9:56am
The problem is that anyone who takes an affirmative step to remove their name
TaiJuan
10/7/15 9:59am
I agree. It is a practical matter as well. Otherwise everything is shades of
AF Cougar
10/7/15 10:16am
As long as students get fair chance to stay I would be fine with it. I don't
Baron
10/7/15 10:02am
Basically, the student moves to being under a microscope. I can't imagine it's
TaiJuan
10/7/15 10:05am
I think the difference is automatic expulsion with a chance to be exempt versus
morningcalmcougar
10/8/15 5:43am
Why does the disassociated kid have different "expressive" restrictions than
jayriggity
10/7/15 10:06am
You are demonstrating why the policy works as it currently does.
TaiJuan
10/7/15 10:09am
I guess I don't get it. How?
jayriggity
10/7/15 10:19am
Should John Dehlin be allowed to remain at BYU if he were a student at the time
TaiJuan
10/7/15 10:24am
Maybe? IDK. I'm just exploring the ideas. Do you think that a catholic with exac
jayriggity
10/7/15 11:01am
I don't think the issue is discussing it with roomates in a private setting
morningcalmcougar
10/8/15 5:49am
Not sure why people think it is a dumb policy...there is a difference of
Fdnman
10/7/15 10:06am
It's an awful big decision to a believing member of the Church. I've been
Byron McNertney
10/7/15 10:17am
I knew a few who left the church and weren't kicked out. And some that were. My
rcbyufan
10/7/15 10:14am
Very much true. And probably a dumb rule. Should be changed.
Real Men Wear Blue
10/7/15 10:59am
Well, if anyone would know about discriminatory policies at a university
BeardedSpock
10/7/15 1:00pm
It's not just a matter of membership. It's about breaking covenants.
panguitch
10/8/15 12:23pm
Report problem with this ad
Posting on CougarBoard
In order to post, you will need to either
sign up
or
log in
.
Report problem with this ad
