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O Gaucho
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Alpine School District to go to 4 weeks of early out. Starting January 31st.
TANK
All-American
1/25/22 8:09pm
...? Because one less hour a day is gonna stop Covid?
RoyalCoug99
1/25/22 8:10pm
"To address teacher fatigue"
RGGeemer
1/25/22 8:11pm
What does that even mean?
BYUtka
1/25/22 8:13pm
Just reading the bulletin
RGGeemer
1/25/22 8:13pm
consider it "the market" correcting. teachers (among other jobs) are leaving -
BYJung
1/25/22 8:21pm
Can you imagine if jobs actually paid based on how undesirable and difficult?
Gunga Galunga
1/25/22 8:24pm
Teaching isn't a "market" profession.
UNLVcougar
1/25/22 8:31pm
And yet forces of supply and demand still are relevant and will influence
BYJung
1/25/22 8:36pm
It's a publicly funded profession. There will always be ceilings and floors that
UNLVcougar
1/25/22 8:46pm
are you saying that publicly funded jobs aren't subject to external forces that
BYJung
1/25/22 9:00pm
I'm saying if it is a market at all, it's one extremely hampered
UNLVcougar
1/25/22 9:17pm
I'd argue that administrative policies like this DO have impact on the labor
BYJung
1/26/22 7:54am
Nvm, dont feel like starting something
Gunga Galunga
1/25/22 8:18pm
Then what is the entire summer break for?
Ojiisan
1/25/22 8:56pm
Link?
Richard McCoy Jr.
1/25/22 8:11pm
RE: Link?
TANK
1/25/22 8:12pm
Thank you.
Richard McCoy Jr.
1/25/22 8:13pm
3:14:44 minutes into that video they post the slides
BillyGoat
1/26/22 8:58am
RE: 3:14:44 minutes into that video they post the slides
BillyGoat
1/26/22 9:30am
What is this supposed to accomplish?
BYUtka
1/25/22 8:12pm
Address teacher fatigue.
TANK
1/25/22 8:13pm
The only thing I can think of is it will give teachers time to make online
Charles Darwin
1/25/22 8:13pm
They don’t have enough staff to cover so teachers have been filling in for each
O Gaucho
1/25/22 8:16pm
That doesn’t really answer the question. What does an hour a day accomplish?
Graystation
1/25/22 8:18pm
It’s meant to alleviate teacher stress. But it really doesn’t do much.
Ted Lasso
1/25/22 8:21pm
Teachers will be more willing to sub during prep periods because they will have
Charles Darwin
1/25/22 8:22pm
Yes. They lose prep time when they cover. They are also paying more to cover.
Ted Lasso
1/25/22 8:22pm
To whoever thumbsed this down.. what’s wrong with you?
Adwight
1/25/22 9:12pm
And now the poor principal has to totally go revamp the entire school schedule
O Gaucho
1/25/22 9:19pm
And, handling the students out sick has been an extra burden. My wife teaches HS and said work-wise the last month has
zsmooth
1/26/22 4:03am
Ugh...
Jimo Dashen
1/25/22 8:12pm
My mom (retired educator) is subbing. She has basically been full time
Hypnotoad
1/25/22 8:21pm
Covid protocols..real sickness...and no subs for same reasons +pay
CarolinaCoug
1/25/22 9:33pm
Right as I'm starting a fully remote position with a new company... Great 😒. Four stir crazy kids. It won't be easy.
germm
1/25/22 8:22pm
Maybe start work at 6 and be done by the time they get home at 2?
Charles Darwin
1/25/22 8:34pm
Unfortunately I have to work the same time as my clients
germm
1/25/22 8:41pm
Teacher fatigue is the latest buzz word. We have created a society of whiny
Taccoug
1/25/22 8:23pm
They also get paid next to nothing. Is a teachers wage even liveable anymore?
blackandblue
1/25/22 8:26pm
Not at my kids school according to the state website on public employee salaries
BYU'01
1/25/22 8:35pm
In my state those do not show the salary but total compensation including the
Charles Darwin
1/25/22 8:37pm
Same in Utah.
O Gaucho
1/25/22 8:38pm
That is incorrect. Transparent.Utah.gov shows salary & benefits separately.
BYU'01
1/25/22 8:51pm
I stand corrected. That is a much better site than the old Utahsright one they
O Gaucho
1/25/22 8:54pm
How much do they make?
ReyOso
1/25/22 8:37pm
Staring around 42K. Good luck living on that.
Ted Lasso
1/25/22 8:49pm
So a 22 year old directly out of school with a bachelors making 42k
rtNelson
1/25/22 9:03pm
Yep, no problems for a single person income.
Ted Lasso
1/25/22 9:09pm
Yeah, 3 kids and a house on 42k is hard. But that's the starting pay.
rtNelson
1/25/22 9:20pm
Unfortunately, the teachers Union doesn’t look out for younger teachers.
Charles Darwin
1/25/22 9:39pm
Most of my peers didn’t have 3 kids upon completing undergrad
BYU'01
1/25/22 9:54pm
My sons 1st grade teacher makes $89k salary + $52k benefits. 180 school days
BYU'01
1/25/22 8:57pm
That equals over 118k per year for a full 12 month job
Ojiisan
1/25/22 9:05pm
Which most people still wouldn’t take. Thirty 6 year olds All day?
O Gaucho
1/25/22 9:21pm
Is that in Utah?
BlueBlood94
1/25/22 10:14pm
Yes
BYU'01
1/25/22 10:35pm
How many years has she been teaching & what degrees does she have?
Soupie
1/25/22 10:47pm
I believe ~10 yrs & nearly certain she earned an masters degree while teaching
BYU'01
1/26/22 8:00am
Where in Utah is this? I've never heard of anything remotely close to this for
O Gaucho
1/26/22 8:30am
The 3 wks is surprising. My district gives 5 personal days a year and sick leave but that's it. You even
Soupie
1/26/22 8:55am
Yeah this is why I am asking which district. I researched school district
O Gaucho
1/26/22 9:08am
Thats the district down here too. He hasnt said what district yet.
CarolinaCoug
1/26/22 9:38am
I probably confused PTO policy; salary info came from transparent.utah.gov that
BYU'01
1/26/22 7:28pm
Yeah 10 yrs with a masters gets you $70,000 in ASD. Here is the salary schedule
O Gaucho
1/26/22 7:43pm
Judging by the car selection at my kids school, they are doing just fine.
mtcougar
1/25/22 8:51pm
You should teach for a year or so....trust me, you'd change your tune
Don_Juan_El_Guapo
1/25/22 8:27pm
It’s a chosen profession though. Nobody forced people to be teachers. Surely
Graystation
1/25/22 8:29pm
Honestly, most don't know what they are getting in to...but, sure, they choose
Don_Juan_El_Guapo
1/25/22 8:31pm
Well those older people could always go into administration right? 😉
Charles Darwin
1/25/22 8:35pm
LOL...true...maybe I'm the exception but I remember what it's like to teach...
Don_Juan_El_Guapo
1/25/22 8:40pm
Nobody could have predicted what they're dealing with. Seriously, stop commenting about what you don't know
jdub
1/25/22 8:31pm
So as long as it’s not slavery no one can go to their boss to tell them their
Charles Darwin
1/25/22 8:32pm
Awesome straw man. I do feel bad for teachers. I’m sure it’s been an incredibly
Graystation
1/25/22 8:35pm
What did you study to be in college?
Charles Darwin
1/25/22 8:36pm
Finance. I had an incredibly successful 15 years of it. Just left to join law
Graystation
1/25/22 8:38pm
Do you feel like your schooling gave you an accurate representation of what a
Charles Darwin
1/25/22 8:41pm
Absolutely it did! I also have a masters and I feel like both prepared me.
Graystation
1/25/22 8:44pm
You know, when I called you on it the first time, you should have probably recognized your comment was bad
jdub
1/25/22 8:38pm
Just board mail me what you want to say so you don’t get banned.
Graystation
1/25/22 8:39pm
This will do, multiplied by about 10
jdub
1/25/22 8:42pm
The problem is this....a teacher, at least a secondary teacher, has around 200
Don_Juan_El_Guapo
1/25/22 8:37pm
I like you, and your reasonable takes. I’m certainly not anti-teacher at all.
Graystation
1/25/22 8:43pm
Well, my mom, my HCBW and now you....my fan club is getting bigger 🙂 Honestly,
Don_Juan_El_Guapo
1/25/22 8:50pm
Lamest response that gets repeated over and over by people that don’t have a
O Gaucho
1/25/22 8:37pm
They should make it easier to get in and out of the profession.
ReyOso
1/25/22 8:38pm
In Utah you don’t even have to be licensed to teach at the start. You can come
O Gaucho
1/25/22 8:43pm
I've agreed with everything you've said in this thread up until the minimal
Loon to the Moon
1/25/22 11:09pm
How long ago was that?
O Gaucho
1/26/22 7:29am
Last year, 20-21, was his lone year in public school. He's back at the
Loon to the Moon
1/26/22 2:21pm
I was asking because I think it was last year that they shifted the requirements
O Gaucho
1/26/22 2:28pm
Just wait until they pass all the nonsense bills this legislative session…
Charles Darwin
1/25/22 8:39pm
What’s the curriculum about specifically?
D.T. Survivor
1/25/22 9:11pm
Basically make it so anything and everything that might be shown to students has
Charles Darwin
1/25/22 9:18pm
You can tell parents’ trust in teachers being apolitical is very low right now
D.T. Survivor
1/25/22 9:27pm
Then do it. If I don’t like my job, I’m not sitting around to wallow in it.
Graystation
1/25/22 8:46pm
They are, hence the problem. What do we do with the kids all day when no one is
O Gaucho
1/25/22 9:24pm
Give them a week in my classes they would change their tune and agree with you
Adwight
1/25/22 9:13pm
It's a profession that 50% choose to leave after 5 years because pay/work
runnincoug
1/25/22 8:40pm
Not necessarily. My wife taught for 4 years and always made fun of
IGotGoodGifs
1/25/22 8:50pm
Why on earth did she quit?
Charles Darwin
1/25/22 9:13pm
We moved for my job.
IGotGoodGifs
1/25/22 9:16pm
No schools where you live now?
Charles Darwin
1/25/22 9:19pm
Not hiring what she teaches. She will go back to teaching as soon as she can.
IGotGoodGifs
1/25/22 9:21pm
Wow, when you really don't know the situation, you probably shouldn't comment
jdub
1/25/22 8:30pm
I don't know the situation there, but I certainly know it where I live, and I
UNLVcougar
1/25/22 8:36pm
Yeah, you should have stopped with "I don't know". That would have made you look better. I DO know much it
jdub
1/25/22 8:39pm
I've attended more than enough school board meetings where I live
UNLVcougar
1/25/22 8:43pm
I don't know how to tell you this, but Clark County is not Utah County
jdub
1/25/22 8:49pm
1. I don't live in Clark County. 2. I'm not an attorney.
UNLVcougar
1/25/22 9:14pm
RE: 1. I don't live in Clark County. 2. I'm not an attorney.
Sid Vicious
1/25/22 9:15pm
1) The point still stands, 2) that makes a WHOLE lot more sense now
jdub
1/25/22 9:22pm
Have you become "woke" and are now "cancelling" the teachers? Interesting.
germm
1/25/22 8:34pm
You have no idea what it is like clearly. Horrible take.
Heath Squashwell
1/25/22 8:41pm
I taught for 3 years
AZ Coug
1/25/22 9:03pm
You sound like a great teacher. I taught for 6 and it kicked my butt.
Heath Squashwell
1/25/22 9:07pm
My wife is a teacher in ASD. She asked, “where did you hear that already?” My
O Gaucho
1/25/22 8:31pm
LOL..this is SO true
Don_Juan_El_Guapo
1/25/22 8:32pm
I remember first hearing about the killing of bin laden on CB and it was not being reported anywhere else.
TANK
1/25/22 8:34pm
According to our kids the teachers basically do nothing anyway
Beggar
1/25/22 8:43pm
Mine too.
CarolinaCoug
1/25/22 9:50pm
Lol. They are not even trying to teach at my son's high school. But the
Sid Vicious
1/25/22 8:39pm
amen
Beggar
1/25/22 8:44pm
Can I come to your workplace and tell you how poorly you do your job
Utefaninenemyland
1/25/22 9:02pm
You are welcome to. I get scrutinized every single day.
Sid Vicious
1/25/22 9:05pm
That sucks for your kids. Mine are still learning. My teens are in 2 different
CarolinaCoug
1/25/22 9:53pm
I understand teacher fatigue but why is it so much worse than pre-Covid?
Heath Squashwell
1/25/22 8:40pm
Number of students and teachers sick for one.
TANK
1/25/22 8:42pm
Preparing lessons for in person and online, while you give up your prep time
Charles Darwin
1/25/22 8:44pm
In Utah, the legislature made attendance optional these last two years. Kids
O Gaucho
1/25/22 8:47pm
Teacher i know has 1kid miss over 40 days of school already. No severe ilnesses
CarolinaCoug
1/25/22 9:59pm
Then it's the teacher/school's fault when they fall behind.
Soupie
1/25/22 10:01pm
I asked a teacher this the other day who is a patient of mine.
PKCoug
1/25/22 9:34pm
There has been a dramatic change in student behavior. I've never seen the amount
FabLabCougar
1/25/22 9:52pm
Yeah, this has been an ongoing problem for years, building up
Heath Squashwell
1/25/22 9:52pm
It's almost like ripping everything from them, shutting down their lives and
BYUtka
1/25/22 10:02pm
And sometimes stand up to them.
Soupie
1/25/22 10:12pm
I honestly think kids are in school too long.
MetaLearner
1/25/22 8:41pm
But but who is going to babysit our kids????
JohnnyC
1/25/22 8:55pm
This is it. This is why teachers are considered essential workers. Child care
BYJung
1/25/22 9:03pm
I’ve read home schooled kids can get thru more material and finish much earlier
D.T. Survivor
1/25/22 9:13pm
Sure, if they have a educated parent with excellent dedication and resources.
Ted Lasso
1/25/22 9:16pm
If getting through material is the only goal, that's a no brainer.
Loon to the Moon
1/25/22 11:22pm
I also read that home schooled kids test 40% better
D.T. Survivor
1/26/22 7:33am
Yep and they're not held back by disruptive kids
MetaLearner
1/26/22 8:27am
Kindergarten is 2hrs and 15min? Crazy
EarlSpeak
1/25/22 9:06pm
The message this sends to kids when school districts cut days and hours willynilly like they have the last 2+ years is:
Spiff
1/25/22 9:59pm
Yes 4 weeks is an entire year of school. Omicron will have burnwd thru..
CarolinaCoug
1/25/22 10:03pm
It’s lost time. Easily out for a year last reduced learning days by more than 20 days. It’s stealing education from kids
Spiff
1/25/22 10:12pm
Other countries with much better education systems than ours have less seat time
Adwight
1/25/22 10:32pm
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