I'm saying if it is a market at all, it's one extremely hampered

Jan 25, 2022
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with a whole bunch of artificial ceilings and floors and is incredibly inelastic, both on the supply and the demand side. As it relates to the original post, due to that inelasticity, the administrative policy mentioned in the OP is just that, administrative and won't have much impact on the market one way or the other.

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Alpine School District to go to 4 weeks of early out. Starting January 31st.

TANK All-American

1/25/22 8:09pm

...? Because one less hour a day is gonna stop Covid?

RoyalCoug99

1/25/22 8:10pm

"To address teacher fatigue"

RGGeemer

1/25/22 8:11pm

What does that even mean?

BYUtka

1/25/22 8:13pm

Just reading the bulletin

RGGeemer

1/25/22 8:13pm

consider it "the market" correcting. teachers (among other jobs) are leaving -

BYJung

1/25/22 8:21pm

Can you imagine if jobs actually paid based on how undesirable and difficult?

Gunga Galunga

1/25/22 8:24pm

Teaching isn't a "market" profession.

UNLVcougar

1/25/22 8:31pm

And yet forces of supply and demand still are relevant and will influence

BYJung

1/25/22 8:36pm

It's a publicly funded profession. There will always be ceilings and floors that

UNLVcougar

1/25/22 8:46pm

are you saying that publicly funded jobs aren't subject to external forces that

BYJung

1/25/22 9:00pm

I'm saying if it is a market at all, it's one extremely hampered

UNLVcougar

1/25/22 9:17pm

I'd argue that administrative policies like this DO have impact on the labor

BYJung

1/26/22 7:54am

Nvm, dont feel like starting something

Gunga Galunga

1/25/22 8:18pm

Then what is the entire summer break for?

Ojiisan

1/25/22 8:56pm

Link?

Richard McCoy Jr.

1/25/22 8:11pm

RE: Link?

TANK

1/25/22 8:12pm

Thank you.

Richard McCoy Jr.

1/25/22 8:13pm

3:14:44 minutes into that video they post the slides

BillyGoat

1/26/22 8:58am

RE: 3:14:44 minutes into that video they post the slides

BillyGoat

1/26/22 9:30am

What is this supposed to accomplish?

BYUtka

1/25/22 8:12pm

Address teacher fatigue.

TANK

1/25/22 8:13pm

The only thing I can think of is it will give teachers time to make online

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 8:13pm

They don’t have enough staff to cover so teachers have been filling in for each

O Gaucho

1/25/22 8:16pm

That doesn’t really answer the question. What does an hour a day accomplish?

Graystation

1/25/22 8:18pm

It’s meant to alleviate teacher stress. But it really doesn’t do much.

Ted Lasso

1/25/22 8:21pm

Teachers will be more willing to sub during prep periods because they will have

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 8:22pm

Yes. They lose prep time when they cover. They are also paying more to cover.

Ted Lasso

1/25/22 8:22pm

To whoever thumbsed this down.. what’s wrong with you?

Adwight

1/25/22 9:12pm

And now the poor principal has to totally go revamp the entire school schedule

O Gaucho

1/25/22 9:19pm

And, handling the students out sick has been an extra burden. My wife teaches HS and said work-wise the last month has

zsmooth

1/26/22 4:03am

Ugh...

Jimo Dashen

1/25/22 8:12pm

My mom (retired educator) is subbing. She has basically been full time

Hypnotoad

1/25/22 8:21pm

Covid protocols..real sickness...and no subs for same reasons +pay

CarolinaCoug

1/25/22 9:33pm

Right as I'm starting a fully remote position with a new company... Great 😒. Four stir crazy kids. It won't be easy.

germm

1/25/22 8:22pm

Maybe start work at 6 and be done by the time they get home at 2?

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 8:34pm

Unfortunately I have to work the same time as my clients

germm

1/25/22 8:41pm

Teacher fatigue is the latest buzz word. We have created a society of whiny

Taccoug

1/25/22 8:23pm

They also get paid next to nothing. Is a teachers wage even liveable anymore?

blackandblue

1/25/22 8:26pm

Not at my kids school according to the state website on public employee salaries

BYU'01

1/25/22 8:35pm

In my state those do not show the salary but total compensation including the

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 8:37pm

Same in Utah.

O Gaucho

1/25/22 8:38pm

That is incorrect. Transparent.Utah.gov shows salary & benefits separately.

BYU'01

1/25/22 8:51pm

I stand corrected. That is a much better site than the old Utahsright one they

O Gaucho

1/25/22 8:54pm

How much do they make?

ReyOso

1/25/22 8:37pm

Staring around 42K. Good luck living on that.

Ted Lasso

1/25/22 8:49pm

So a 22 year old directly out of school with a bachelors making 42k

rtNelson

1/25/22 9:03pm

Yep, no problems for a single person income.

Ted Lasso

1/25/22 9:09pm

Yeah, 3 kids and a house on 42k is hard. But that's the starting pay.

rtNelson

1/25/22 9:20pm

Unfortunately, the teachers Union doesn’t look out for younger teachers.

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 9:39pm

Most of my peers didn’t have 3 kids upon completing undergrad

BYU'01

1/25/22 9:54pm

My sons 1st grade teacher makes $89k salary + $52k benefits. 180 school days

BYU'01

1/25/22 8:57pm

That equals over 118k per year for a full 12 month job

Ojiisan

1/25/22 9:05pm

Which most people still wouldn’t take. Thirty 6 year olds All day?

O Gaucho

1/25/22 9:21pm

Is that in Utah?

BlueBlood94

1/25/22 10:14pm

Yes

BYU'01

1/25/22 10:35pm

How many years has she been teaching & what degrees does she have?

Soupie

1/25/22 10:47pm

I believe ~10 yrs & nearly certain she earned an masters degree while teaching

BYU'01

1/26/22 8:00am

Where in Utah is this? I've never heard of anything remotely close to this for

O Gaucho

1/26/22 8:30am

The 3 wks is surprising. My district gives 5 personal days a year and sick leave but that's it. You even

Soupie

1/26/22 8:55am

Yeah this is why I am asking which district. I researched school district

O Gaucho

1/26/22 9:08am

Thats the district down here too. He hasnt said what district yet.

CarolinaCoug

1/26/22 9:38am

I probably confused PTO policy; salary info came from transparent.utah.gov that

BYU'01

1/26/22 7:28pm

Yeah 10 yrs with a masters gets you $70,000 in ASD. Here is the salary schedule

O Gaucho

1/26/22 7:43pm

Judging by the car selection at my kids school, they are doing just fine.

mtcougar

1/25/22 8:51pm

You should teach for a year or so....trust me, you'd change your tune

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

1/25/22 8:27pm

It’s a chosen profession though. Nobody forced people to be teachers. Surely

Graystation

1/25/22 8:29pm

Honestly, most don't know what they are getting in to...but, sure, they choose

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

1/25/22 8:31pm

Well those older people could always go into administration right? 😉

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 8:35pm

LOL...true...maybe I'm the exception but I remember what it's like to teach...

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

1/25/22 8:40pm

Nobody could have predicted what they're dealing with. Seriously, stop commenting about what you don't know

jdub

1/25/22 8:31pm

So as long as it’s not slavery no one can go to their boss to tell them their

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 8:32pm

Awesome straw man. I do feel bad for teachers. I’m sure it’s been an incredibly

Graystation

1/25/22 8:35pm

What did you study to be in college?

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 8:36pm

Finance. I had an incredibly successful 15 years of it. Just left to join law

Graystation

1/25/22 8:38pm

Do you feel like your schooling gave you an accurate representation of what a

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 8:41pm

Absolutely it did! I also have a masters and I feel like both prepared me.

Graystation

1/25/22 8:44pm

You know, when I called you on it the first time, you should have probably recognized your comment was bad

jdub

1/25/22 8:38pm

Just board mail me what you want to say so you don’t get banned.

Graystation

1/25/22 8:39pm

This will do, multiplied by about 10

jdub

1/25/22 8:42pm

The problem is this....a teacher, at least a secondary teacher, has around 200

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

1/25/22 8:37pm

I like you, and your reasonable takes. I’m certainly not anti-teacher at all.

Graystation

1/25/22 8:43pm

Well, my mom, my HCBW and now you....my fan club is getting bigger 🙂 Honestly,

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

1/25/22 8:50pm

Lamest response that gets repeated over and over by people that don’t have a

O Gaucho

1/25/22 8:37pm

They should make it easier to get in and out of the profession.

ReyOso

1/25/22 8:38pm

In Utah you don’t even have to be licensed to teach at the start. You can come

O Gaucho

1/25/22 8:43pm

I've agreed with everything you've said in this thread up until the minimal

Loon to the Moon

1/25/22 11:09pm

How long ago was that?

O Gaucho

1/26/22 7:29am

Last year, 20-21, was his lone year in public school. He's back at the

Loon to the Moon

1/26/22 2:21pm

I was asking because I think it was last year that they shifted the requirements

O Gaucho

1/26/22 2:28pm

Just wait until they pass all the nonsense bills this legislative session…

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 8:39pm

What’s the curriculum about specifically?

D.T. Survivor

1/25/22 9:11pm

Basically make it so anything and everything that might be shown to students has

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 9:18pm

You can tell parents’ trust in teachers being apolitical is very low right now

D.T. Survivor

1/25/22 9:27pm

Then do it. If I don’t like my job, I’m not sitting around to wallow in it.

Graystation

1/25/22 8:46pm

They are, hence the problem. What do we do with the kids all day when no one is

O Gaucho

1/25/22 9:24pm

Give them a week in my classes they would change their tune and agree with you

Adwight

1/25/22 9:13pm

It's a profession that 50% choose to leave after 5 years because pay/work

runnincoug

1/25/22 8:40pm

Not necessarily. My wife taught for 4 years and always made fun of

IGotGoodGifs

1/25/22 8:50pm

Why on earth did she quit?

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 9:13pm

We moved for my job.

IGotGoodGifs

1/25/22 9:16pm

No schools where you live now?

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 9:19pm

Not hiring what she teaches. She will go back to teaching as soon as she can.

IGotGoodGifs

1/25/22 9:21pm

Wow, when you really don't know the situation, you probably shouldn't comment

jdub

1/25/22 8:30pm

I don't know the situation there, but I certainly know it where I live, and I

UNLVcougar

1/25/22 8:36pm

Yeah, you should have stopped with "I don't know". That would have made you look better. I DO know much it

jdub

1/25/22 8:39pm

I've attended more than enough school board meetings where I live

UNLVcougar

1/25/22 8:43pm

I don't know how to tell you this, but Clark County is not Utah County

jdub

1/25/22 8:49pm

1. I don't live in Clark County. 2. I'm not an attorney.

UNLVcougar

1/25/22 9:14pm

RE: 1. I don't live in Clark County. 2. I'm not an attorney.

Sid Vicious

1/25/22 9:15pm

1) The point still stands, 2) that makes a WHOLE lot more sense now

jdub

1/25/22 9:22pm

Have you become "woke" and are now "cancelling" the teachers? Interesting.

germm

1/25/22 8:34pm

You have no idea what it is like clearly. Horrible take.

Heath Squashwell

1/25/22 8:41pm

I taught for 3 years

AZ Coug

1/25/22 9:03pm

You sound like a great teacher. I taught for 6 and it kicked my butt.

Heath Squashwell

1/25/22 9:07pm

My wife is a teacher in ASD. She asked, “where did you hear that already?” My

O Gaucho

1/25/22 8:31pm

LOL..this is SO true

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

1/25/22 8:32pm

I remember first hearing about the killing of bin laden on CB and it was not being reported anywhere else.

TANK

1/25/22 8:34pm

According to our kids the teachers basically do nothing anyway

Beggar

1/25/22 8:43pm

Mine too.

CarolinaCoug

1/25/22 9:50pm

Lol. They are not even trying to teach at my son's high school. But the

Sid Vicious

1/25/22 8:39pm

amen

Beggar

1/25/22 8:44pm

Can I come to your workplace and tell you how poorly you do your job

Utefaninenemyland

1/25/22 9:02pm

You are welcome to. I get scrutinized every single day.

Sid Vicious

1/25/22 9:05pm

That sucks for your kids. Mine are still learning. My teens are in 2 different

CarolinaCoug

1/25/22 9:53pm

I understand teacher fatigue but why is it so much worse than pre-Covid?

Heath Squashwell

1/25/22 8:40pm

Number of students and teachers sick for one.

TANK

1/25/22 8:42pm

Preparing lessons for in person and online, while you give up your prep time

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 8:44pm

In Utah, the legislature made attendance optional these last two years. Kids

O Gaucho

1/25/22 8:47pm

Teacher i know has 1kid miss over 40 days of school already. No severe ilnesses

CarolinaCoug

1/25/22 9:59pm

Then it's the teacher/school's fault when they fall behind.

Soupie

1/25/22 10:01pm

I asked a teacher this the other day who is a patient of mine.

PKCoug

1/25/22 9:34pm

There has been a dramatic change in student behavior. I've never seen the amount

FabLabCougar

1/25/22 9:52pm

Yeah, this has been an ongoing problem for years, building up

Heath Squashwell

1/25/22 9:52pm

It's almost like ripping everything from them, shutting down their lives and

BYUtka

1/25/22 10:02pm

And sometimes stand up to them.

Soupie

1/25/22 10:12pm

I honestly think kids are in school too long.

MetaLearner

1/25/22 8:41pm

But but who is going to babysit our kids????

JohnnyC

1/25/22 8:55pm

This is it. This is why teachers are considered essential workers. Child care

BYJung

1/25/22 9:03pm

I’ve read home schooled kids can get thru more material and finish much earlier

D.T. Survivor

1/25/22 9:13pm

Sure, if they have a educated parent with excellent dedication and resources.

Ted Lasso

1/25/22 9:16pm

If getting through material is the only goal, that's a no brainer.

Loon to the Moon

1/25/22 11:22pm

I also read that home schooled kids test 40% better

D.T. Survivor

1/26/22 7:33am

Yep and they're not held back by disruptive kids

MetaLearner

1/26/22 8:27am

Kindergarten is 2hrs and 15min? Crazy

EarlSpeak

1/25/22 9:06pm

The message this sends to kids when school districts cut days and hours willynilly like they have the last 2+ years is:

Spiff

1/25/22 9:59pm

Yes 4 weeks is an entire year of school. Omicron will have burnwd thru..

CarolinaCoug

1/25/22 10:03pm

It’s lost time. Easily out for a year last reduced learning days by more than 20 days. It’s stealing education from kids

Spiff

1/25/22 10:12pm

Other countries with much better education systems than ours have less seat time

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