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Jan 11, 2017
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NewMexiCoug
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Not our tithes, maybe the donations of your great grandad.
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I don't think the Church is ever going to fund BYU Athletics. Here's why:
eddog
1/11/17 6:33pm
If the church funded sports, it wouldn't be for the fans.
Thunder Buddy
1/11/17 6:35pm
It is always talked about like a missionary tool, if that is the point imo they
IceCreamButt
1/11/17 6:35pm
And call players on football missions? /s
BrutustheBrash
1/11/17 6:43pm
I could get behind that.
IceCreamButt
1/11/17 8:08pm
I don't think I'd complain if it happened
BrutustheBrash
1/11/17 8:21pm
It's not the general authorities that typically say that, fans and others are
basman
1/11/17 6:58pm
I agree with you.
eddog
1/11/17 7:21pm
I am a missionary tool.. where is my check?
RealityCheck
1/12/17 10:15am
Fortunately, everyone cares about BYU the school
BGRTHNUMEGO
1/11/17 6:35pm
they don't fund building cleaning
Cougarealist
1/11/17 6:40pm
No one's ever joined the church because of building cleaning
BGRTHNUMEGO
1/11/17 6:40pm
Some have left, however. According to Reddit. 😉
Polecat
1/11/17 7:24pm
They could do it with funds from the investment arm
Gustav
1/11/17 6:41pm
They are paying GA's...why not fund some scholarships...85 or so
Bonoman
1/11/17 8:53pm
That wouldn't cause an uproar from certain feminist groups.
Y05
1/12/17 4:35am
Not everyone cares about the U of U law school either...
titlecoug
1/11/17 6:46pm
Amen!
BYUHgrad
1/11/17 6:58pm
Still salty about this. The U of U?! Really?
Harrison0Yfan
1/11/17 9:00pm
I agree that they won't, but your reason is wrong.
Cougar TD
1/11/17 6:56pm
That's what the for profit entitiees are for. We already pay the GAs
kotacoug
1/11/17 7:07pm
Where did the money to start the for profits come from originally? Invested
Polecat
1/11/17 7:16pm
Who cares? At some point decades ago it was probabaly donated.
kotacoug
1/11/17 7:18pm
Who cares? I don't know man, a law of god that requires people to fork over
Polecat
1/11/17 7:19pm
I'm not seeing your point...
kotacoug
1/11/17 7:28pm
Point being that saying it doesn't come from tithing is false. It all came from
Polecat
1/11/17 7:30pm
So you're saying my tithes may have grown to larger amounts and I may not have to pay again for a few years?
mulletYno
1/11/17 7:38pm
Actually I'm saying that yes they have grown to larger amounts, but you'll
Polecat
1/11/17 7:42pm
You're saying that funds that once were tithes always remain tithes even though they might later be invested.
mulletYno
1/11/17 7:45pm
I'm saying it's built on tithes. As in, the businesses wouldn't exist if it
Polecat
1/11/17 7:47pm
Are the economic factors in the areas of these businesses also tithes?
mulletYno
1/11/17 7:50pm
Obviously you're trying to show you're smarter than me in a business sense. I'm
Polecat
1/11/17 7:54pm
What if the tithing is given back to the Church after said businesses become self-sustaining?
mulletYno
1/11/17 7:56pm
All fine and well, it still doesn't change where it started from.
Polecat
1/11/17 7:57pm
Not our tithes, maybe the donations of your great grandad.
NewMexiCoug
1/11/17 8:53pm
how do you know?
Cougarealist
1/11/17 8:58pm
None of our tithes? You can say that with 100% certainty?
Polecat
1/11/17 9:38pm
Maybe but they also had tons of property and businesses they sold
Nat Gas Man
1/11/17 7:43pm
I'm curious where those properties and businesses came from to begin with?
Polecat
1/11/17 7:44pm
They owned everything in 1847 before tithing
Nat Gas Man
1/11/17 7:46pm
That organization was legally dissolved in 1887.
Polecat
1/11/17 7:49pm
But somehow they kept the hospitals etc
Nat Gas Man
1/11/17 7:51pm
Also tithing wasn't a requisite for temple blessings back then, like it is now.
Polecat
1/11/17 7:58pm
Technically you're probably wrong. Those funds were most likely donated to the
kotacoug
1/11/17 7:43pm
Technically. It's all member contributions wether it's tithing or not.
Polecat
1/11/17 7:45pm
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kotacoug
1/11/17 7:46pm
Yes but it's not tithing.... that's what everyone is getting there panties in a
kotacoug
1/11/17 7:47pm
there's no way that it's 100% not tithing. Some of it is, it has to be.
Polecat
1/11/17 7:51pm
of course
Cougarealist
1/11/17 7:33pm
I just wish people wouldn't always say these things "don't come from tithing,"
Polecat
1/11/17 7:34pm
Please show the traceability of your claim.
NewMexiCoug
1/11/17 7:37pm
It's just that...where else would the money come from? It's a church...
Polecat
1/11/17 7:40pm
How about someone donating (outside from tithing) and authorizing the church to invest the funds in for profit business
CotoCoug
1/11/17 8:18pm
I'm sure that has happened as well.
Polecat
1/11/17 8:23pm
And, who owned the land in Utah before the Church arrived?
NewMexiCoug
1/11/17 8:44pm
Dang dude. I'm just saying some of it certainly comes from tithing. Some of it
Polecat
1/11/17 9:38pm
Or to sum up: Whiners!
Freddie Cougar
1/11/17 7:07pm
Many more people don't care about BSA and they fund that.
BYUtka
1/11/17 7:28pm
Good point.
eddog
1/11/17 7:40pm
From tithing though? If they fund it from tithing why did I knock on all those
Martin Van Nostrand
1/11/17 7:46pm
That is to pay the BSA executive salaries. Tithing pays for the local troops and
BYUtka
1/12/17 6:22am
Not an entirely accurate statement regarding FoS, but I'm ready to move on
Ulysses14
1/12/17 6:53am
I would much rather fund BYU Football than the National BSA.
Accipiter
1/11/17 11:37pm
Even as a huge BYU sports fan, I would hope that if the Church wanted to spend
Martin Van Nostrand
1/11/17 7:54pm
BYU athletics should demand more from KBYU for content and the church can fund
Gene Frenkle
1/11/17 8:10pm
RE: I don't think the Church is ever going to fund BYU Athletics. Here's why:
OliverGranger
1/11/17 8:15pm
That makes no sense
lawking
1/11/17 8:29pm
Two words why: Widow's mite.
(Private)
1/11/17 11:02pm
I think it's more that BYU athletics is already a successful missionary tool and
Ulysses14
1/12/17 4:58am
CB generally opposes the idea; non-fans oppose it even more
ColoSpgs
1/12/17 7:06am
I think you are onto something, but for me it is more about optics.
lilpenny
1/12/17 7:14am
Not everyone cares about singing or dancing either.
BamaCoug
1/12/17 8:11am
While sports (BYU sports) has been seen as a missionary tool for the Church, the Church does not exist to promote sports
Cougarpride
1/12/17 9:05am
wait I thought this was all about the "sport" of life
Nat Gas Man
1/12/17 9:31am
I have seen little evidence that BYU athletics is a "missionary tool."
Oatmeal
1/12/17 9:59am
It is second only to the full time missionaries in how many people it brings in.
BYUtka
1/12/17 11:17am
Are you serious Clark?
NvUte
1/12/17 11:29am
Yup
BYUtka
1/12/17 12:17pm
How is that measured? I have heard this (and that is was 3rd behind missionaries
Martin Van Nostrand
1/12/17 11:36am
From Tom Holmoe in A Cougar Club Meeting a few years back.
BYUtka
1/12/17 12:17pm
Uhhhhhh..... by what measure?
(Private)
1/12/17 9:41pm
Good PR = Missionary Tool
Ulysses14
1/12/17 11:42am
Memphis brawl... bad missionary tool
(Private)
1/12/17 9:41pm
Tuesdays heroes- good PR
IceCreamButt
1/12/17 11:43pm
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