Even as a huge BYU sports fan, I would hope that if the Church wanted to spend

Jan 11, 2017
7:54:50pm

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more money on missionary work, before they subsidize BYU athletics they would decrease the monthly cost each missionary pays or that senior couples pay. At least for missionaries from low-income families. I would hope.

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I don't think the Church is ever going to fund BYU Athletics. Here's why:

eddog

1/11/17 6:33pm

If the church funded sports, it wouldn't be for the fans.

Thunder Buddy

1/11/17 6:35pm

It is always talked about like a missionary tool, if that is the point imo they

IceCreamButt

1/11/17 6:35pm

And call players on football missions? /s

BrutustheBrash

1/11/17 6:43pm

I could get behind that.

IceCreamButt

1/11/17 8:08pm

I don't think I'd complain if it happened

BrutustheBrash

1/11/17 8:21pm

It's not the general authorities that typically say that, fans and others are

basman

1/11/17 6:58pm

I agree with you.

eddog

1/11/17 7:21pm

I am a missionary tool.. where is my check?

RealityCheck

1/12/17 10:15am

Fortunately, everyone cares about BYU the school

BGRTHNUMEGO

1/11/17 6:35pm

they don't fund building cleaning

Cougarealist

1/11/17 6:40pm

No one's ever joined the church because of building cleaning

BGRTHNUMEGO

1/11/17 6:40pm

Some have left, however. According to Reddit. 😉

Polecat

1/11/17 7:24pm

They could do it with funds from the investment arm

Gustav

1/11/17 6:41pm

They are paying GA's...why not fund some scholarships...85 or so

Bonoman

1/11/17 8:53pm

That wouldn't cause an uproar from certain feminist groups.

Y05

1/12/17 4:35am

Not everyone cares about the U of U law school either...

titlecoug

1/11/17 6:46pm

Amen!

BYUHgrad

1/11/17 6:58pm

Still salty about this. The U of U?! Really?

Harrison0Yfan

1/11/17 9:00pm

I agree that they won't, but your reason is wrong.

Cougar TD

1/11/17 6:56pm

That's what the for profit entitiees are for. We already pay the GAs

kotacoug

1/11/17 7:07pm

Where did the money to start the for profits come from originally? Invested

Polecat

1/11/17 7:16pm

Who cares? At some point decades ago it was probabaly donated.

kotacoug

1/11/17 7:18pm

Who cares? I don't know man, a law of god that requires people to fork over

Polecat

1/11/17 7:19pm

I'm not seeing your point...

kotacoug

1/11/17 7:28pm

Point being that saying it doesn't come from tithing is false. It all came from

Polecat

1/11/17 7:30pm

So you're saying my tithes may have grown to larger amounts and I may not have to pay again for a few years?

mulletYno

1/11/17 7:38pm

Actually I'm saying that yes they have grown to larger amounts, but you'll

Polecat

1/11/17 7:42pm

You're saying that funds that once were tithes always remain tithes even though they might later be invested.

mulletYno

1/11/17 7:45pm

I'm saying it's built on tithes. As in, the businesses wouldn't exist if it

Polecat

1/11/17 7:47pm

Are the economic factors in the areas of these businesses also tithes?

mulletYno

1/11/17 7:50pm

Obviously you're trying to show you're smarter than me in a business sense. I'm

Polecat

1/11/17 7:54pm

What if the tithing is given back to the Church after said businesses become self-sustaining?

mulletYno

1/11/17 7:56pm

All fine and well, it still doesn't change where it started from.

Polecat

1/11/17 7:57pm

Not our tithes, maybe the donations of your great grandad.

NewMexiCoug

1/11/17 8:53pm

how do you know?

Cougarealist

1/11/17 8:58pm

None of our tithes? You can say that with 100% certainty?

Polecat

1/11/17 9:38pm

Maybe but they also had tons of property and businesses they sold

Nat Gas Man

1/11/17 7:43pm

I'm curious where those properties and businesses came from to begin with?

Polecat

1/11/17 7:44pm

They owned everything in 1847 before tithing

Nat Gas Man

1/11/17 7:46pm

That organization was legally dissolved in 1887.

Polecat

1/11/17 7:49pm

But somehow they kept the hospitals etc

Nat Gas Man

1/11/17 7:51pm

Also tithing wasn't a requisite for temple blessings back then, like it is now.

Polecat

1/11/17 7:58pm

Technically you're probably wrong. Those funds were most likely donated to the

kotacoug

1/11/17 7:43pm

Technically. It's all member contributions wether it's tithing or not.

Polecat

1/11/17 7:45pm

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kotacoug

1/11/17 7:46pm

Yes but it's not tithing.... that's what everyone is getting there panties in a

kotacoug

1/11/17 7:47pm

there's no way that it's 100% not tithing. Some of it is, it has to be.

Polecat

1/11/17 7:51pm

of course

Cougarealist

1/11/17 7:33pm

I just wish people wouldn't always say these things "don't come from tithing,"

Polecat

1/11/17 7:34pm

Please show the traceability of your claim.

NewMexiCoug

1/11/17 7:37pm

It's just that...where else would the money come from? It's a church...

Polecat

1/11/17 7:40pm

How about someone donating (outside from tithing) and authorizing the church to invest the funds in for profit business

CotoCoug

1/11/17 8:18pm

I'm sure that has happened as well.

Polecat

1/11/17 8:23pm

And, who owned the land in Utah before the Church arrived?

NewMexiCoug

1/11/17 8:44pm

Dang dude. I'm just saying some of it certainly comes from tithing. Some of it

Polecat

1/11/17 9:38pm

Or to sum up: Whiners!

Freddie Cougar

1/11/17 7:07pm

Many more people don't care about BSA and they fund that.

BYUtka

1/11/17 7:28pm

Good point.

eddog

1/11/17 7:40pm

From tithing though? If they fund it from tithing why did I knock on all those

Martin Van Nostrand

1/11/17 7:46pm

That is to pay the BSA executive salaries. Tithing pays for the local troops and

BYUtka

1/12/17 6:22am

Not an entirely accurate statement regarding FoS, but I'm ready to move on

Ulysses14

1/12/17 6:53am

I would much rather fund BYU Football than the National BSA.

Accipiter

1/11/17 11:37pm

Even as a huge BYU sports fan, I would hope that if the Church wanted to spend

Martin Van Nostrand

1/11/17 7:54pm

BYU athletics should demand more from KBYU for content and the church can fund

Gene Frenkle

1/11/17 8:10pm

RE: I don't think the Church is ever going to fund BYU Athletics. Here's why:

OliverGranger

1/11/17 8:15pm

That makes no sense

lawking

1/11/17 8:29pm

Two words why: Widow's mite.

(Private)

1/11/17 11:02pm

I think it's more that BYU athletics is already a successful missionary tool and

Ulysses14

1/12/17 4:58am

CB generally opposes the idea; non-fans oppose it even more

ColoSpgs

1/12/17 7:06am

I think you are onto something, but for me it is more about optics.

lilpenny

1/12/17 7:14am

Not everyone cares about singing or dancing either.

BamaCoug

1/12/17 8:11am

While sports (BYU sports) has been seen as a missionary tool for the Church, the Church does not exist to promote sports

Cougarpride

1/12/17 9:05am

wait I thought this was all about the "sport" of life

Nat Gas Man

1/12/17 9:31am

I have seen little evidence that BYU athletics is a "missionary tool."

Oatmeal

1/12/17 9:59am

It is second only to the full time missionaries in how many people it brings in.

BYUtka

1/12/17 11:17am

Are you serious Clark?

NvUte

1/12/17 11:29am

Yup

BYUtka

1/12/17 12:17pm

How is that measured? I have heard this (and that is was 3rd behind missionaries

Martin Van Nostrand

1/12/17 11:36am

From Tom Holmoe in A Cougar Club Meeting a few years back.

BYUtka

1/12/17 12:17pm

Uhhhhhh..... by what measure?

(Private)

1/12/17 9:41pm

Good PR = Missionary Tool

Ulysses14

1/12/17 11:42am

Memphis brawl... bad missionary tool

(Private)

1/12/17 9:41pm

Tuesdays heroes- good PR

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