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Apr 18, 2017
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84 Grad
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Maybe Rose can't coach players up and so getting rid of someone who needs a bit
of coaching is the best way of never having to show that you can't coach up.
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Beo response to the Harmon article.
Dishonor Code
4/18/17 3:18pm
Expected more? BYU did of him too. Also, His schollie was a 1=year commitment, so BYU met it.
Turnpike Lane
4/18/17 3:20pm
I disagree that "there is nothing wrong with it".
Lance71
4/18/17 3:24pm
I disagree that there is "nothing wrong with it." It is common, but common
reagan21
4/18/17 3:24pm
HACK!
reagan21
4/18/17 3:24pm
So there is no accountability on the player for his performance?
jigidajrit
4/18/17 3:26pm
That's quite the logic leap from "nothing wrong with it". It's not all or nothin
Lance71
4/18/17 3:29pm
That's fair. Just noticed that you two were disagreeing with
jigidajrit
4/18/17 3:30pm
Some schools are moving to the 4 year guaranteed scholorship i.e. USC
DK-
4/18/17 3:29pm
Sure wish someone would give me money so that I could claim it was my investment
CougarThug
4/19/17 11:08am
Do you think that accurately depicts Beo? No way. By your standard
reagan21
4/18/17 3:30pm
I wish there were more scholarships available
jigidajrit
4/18/17 3:35pm
NOMINATED!!
CarolinaCoug
4/18/17 4:21pm
The power conferences no longer pull scholarships for performance issues.
Everyman
4/18/17 3:37pm
Or, he can stay in school and pay his own way to graduate like 98% of the rest of the student body,
Turnpike Lane
4/18/17 3:31pm
No. It sucks. There is something wrong with it, and it shows freshmen
reagan21
4/18/17 3:34pm
It is a 1-year offer. He got his 1 year. THe next was not renewed per the contract.
Turnpike Lane
4/18/17 3:38pm
We don't really know that's the case.
Lance71
4/18/17 3:39pm
What in that statement is unknown?
dratax
4/19/17 10:53am
We don't know if he is being offered to stay on the team as a walk on.
Lance71
4/19/17 10:56am
Yes, and BYU has limited his options by pulling a scholarship in April.
reagan21
4/18/17 3:43pm
You do realize April is when this happens for hoops right? After the season is over.
Turnpike Lane
4/18/17 3:48pm
you do realize that AAU coaches will pawn lower level kids on coaches for
reagan21
4/18/17 3:57pm
So because UNLV kept that kid even through a string of run ins with the law, it means BYU
RoaroftheCougartails
4/18/17 5:13pm
Probably. It's part of the recruiting game.
reagan21
4/19/17 10:29am
RE: Yes, and BYU has limited his options by pulling a scholarship in April.
Bullrider
4/20/17 11:44am
This isnt football
Shteve
4/18/17 3:47pm
Doesn't have to be. It is that way for all NCAA sports. Unless the school offers says 4-years. Most are 1 year.
Turnpike Lane
4/18/17 3:51pm
Referring to FCS, not scholarships. Yes, all scholarships are 1 yr.
Shteve
4/18/17 3:57pm
What a load.
Prickly Heat
4/20/17 8:33am
What if the athlete was not offered a scholarship and came as a walk on. Due to circumstances
RoaroftheCougartails
4/18/17 5:11pm
What do school do with Academic Scholarships that do not
pappabear246
4/19/17 8:29am
Or the school simply runs out of scholarships. The line has to be drawn some place.
soupie
4/19/17 8:36am
My family has had basketball scholorships from two different schools
DK-
4/18/17 3:26pm
Bull crap. Chasing away freshmen is just stupid
GeauxCougs
4/18/17 3:31pm
Part of the game, but how this part of it happens varies
Gustav
4/18/17 3:48pm
Like they said, "there's a lot more to" it. Maybe it wasn't all about the
mantis mutu
4/18/17 3:56pm
we yearned for more of his ball handling? you realize one of his only games
LEHI cougar
4/18/17 4:28pm
That was a bad NIT performance, but his stats don't tell the full story.
mantis mutu
4/18/17 4:39pm
hard to say since his only meaningful stretch of minutes on the season came
LEHI cougar
4/18/17 5:11pm
I disagree that BYU expected more of him
teancum
4/18/17 4:13pm
BYU expected more out of a freshman? I really doubt that.
Lip Gallagher
4/18/17 6:04pm
Turnpike Lane is absolutely spot on here. Not sure why people can't get that.
RdF3
4/19/17 8:06am
Tell them we will miss him and wish him the best
byusc23
4/18/17 3:21pm
Personally I would have kept him on scholarship (if that was the issue). He
Dangerous
4/18/17 3:21pm
Depends on the scholarship situation. He came as a walk-on. Thought he was used way more than expected.
soupie
4/18/17 3:24pm
Is it just me, or does it seem like this type of thing is happening more than
inertiaman
4/18/17 3:21pm
No. Signs of a division 1 basketball team. It's not just happening at BYU.
reagan21
4/18/17 3:22pm
More than usual for BYU recently, but in normal amounts for most programs.
Turnpike Lane
4/18/17 3:22pm
I don't think it's a normal amount for successful programs. I'm not advocating
gwalker
4/18/17 3:34pm
It happens at the big programs quite a bit, they often pull in
califcougar
4/18/17 3:51pm
Doesn't the linked article track 10 guys over a 15 year period? We're hitting a
gwalker
4/18/17 3:59pm
How many of the guys are leaving because they don't want to be part of the
califcougar
4/18/17 4:48pm
Not so sure about the last 3 on your list. Pretty sure Toolson & Guinn would have been welcomed back. No idea
soupie
4/18/17 4:59pm
Sidnt we lose a disgruntled player to Ok st? Pretty sure FB 3 was digruntled too
CarolinaCoug
4/19/17 12:55pm
Yup
teancum
4/18/17 4:09pm
Asked to step aside for another scholarship? Bad for Beo family, but it's just
reagan21
4/18/17 3:21pm
It's really tough when you were really a preferred walk-on all along
Indy Coug
4/18/17 3:23pm
That's a pretty big departure from this
donnerstag
4/18/17 3:24pm
Thanks for sharing. Please tell Sister Beo and Cougar Nation wishes her son the
BIG XII Coug
4/18/17 3:25pm
All of these really hurt, especially this one. I thought Beo showed real promise
LegitCoug
4/18/17 3:25pm
I thought he'd be a nice role player for years to come
donnerstag
4/18/17 3:27pm
He was a level-headed player who didn't make many mistakes.
Freddie Cougar
4/18/17 3:32pm
The sad thing is that it's only a business for the school not for the kids
thebruce
4/18/17 3:29pm
Not only is this common for D1 sports ... it's common for schollies PERIOD.
runnincoug
4/18/17 3:30pm
The tough thing here is that we will probably never see the other side of the story.
TheWanderer
4/18/17 3:31pm
He should still be on the roster even if he's not on scholarship. I don't have
ayfan
4/18/17 3:32pm
my bet, he was offered to go back to walk-on status and felt slighted by that.
LEHI cougar
4/18/17 3:37pm
Tell him he will be treated like family at SUU
GeauxCougs
4/18/17 3:32pm
Was he given the chance to play as a walk-on next year?
Greg Kite's 'stache
4/18/17 3:33pm
We lose LJ Rose. If Aytes and Kaufusi are gone, I don't see why
gwalker
4/18/17 3:33pm
Kaufusi is a football schollie, not hoops, per NCAA rules.
Turnpike Lane
4/18/17 3:35pm
True. Switch in Davis leaving too and you get to the same place in terms of
gwalker
4/18/17 3:36pm
Corbin was already counted as FB this last season so he's out of the mix anyway.
soupie
4/18/17 3:40pm
Rumor i heard IN February said beo might be leaving. I doubt rose is asking
BYUheaven
4/18/17 3:34pm
Interesting. Beo was a frosh and played like it. Small, not quick
Coogar2
4/18/17 9:13pm
hard to complain that you were promised a pref. walk-on spot and got a
LEHI cougar
4/18/17 3:35pm
What did he do that showed anything worth the scholarship?
IronPotato
4/18/17 3:44pm
This is distressing. Too much of this has been occurring
dixdog
4/18/17 3:51pm
Work on those dribbling and passing skills
dizthewiz
4/18/17 4:07pm
I don't necessarily think airing the grievance publicly is the right way to
Iman23
4/18/17 4:09pm
George Costanza probably agrees.
Shteve
4/18/17 4:20pm
you mean Frank?
LEHI cougar
4/18/17 4:32pm
lol no, Frank would disagree.
Shteve
4/18/17 4:41pm
true
LEHI cougar
4/18/17 4:51pm
Who is airing grievances?
Remigius
4/18/17 4:37pm
Beo's mom asked this to be posted. I'd say Beo camp is airing grievances...
Iman23
4/18/17 4:48pm
This is your evidence of grievance:
Mises
4/18/17 4:54pm
That was not the intent. The original post has been edited.
Dishonor Code
4/18/17 4:57pm
Didn't seem to be airing grievance. Seemed pretty classy to me. Didn't throw an
Big Daddy D
4/18/17 4:59pm
original message was edited, you didn't see the whole thing
LEHI cougar
4/18/17 5:13pm
Oh, yes, I never saw the original. Late to the party, as usual.
Big Daddy D
4/18/17 5:19pm
gotta quit that job and surf CB constantly all day long.
LEHI cougar
4/18/17 5:23pm
No doubt. I would be so much more in the know living out of my car!
Big Daddy D
4/18/17 7:57pm
The second part of the message was deleted.
BerkeleyCoug
4/18/17 5:14pm
This is the truth.
roseyscenario
4/19/17 7:32am
Why is it Beo's fault that Emery plays poorly?
CarolinaCoug
4/18/17 4:20pm
What on earth does Emery have to do with this?
Freddie Cougar
4/18/17 4:52pm
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Abe Froman
4/20/17 8:21am
Based on her text it sounds like he's leaving this world.
Thug Mormons
4/18/17 4:33pm
I literally LOL d
DumpsterFire
4/18/17 11:41pm
why did you delete the second part of her text?
LEHI cougar
4/18/17 4:34pm
THIS WHOLE THREAD SHOULD NOW BE DELETED
Shteve
4/18/17 5:29pm
why? no one has personally attacked Beo or the coaching staff
LEHI cougar
4/18/17 5:38pm
Maybe Rose can't coach players up and so getting rid of someone who needs a bit
84 Grad
4/18/17 5:15pm
he did "coach up" a National Player of the Year from a barely recruited
LEHI cougar
4/18/17 5:29pm
I miss Dave Rice. BYU basketball hasn't been the same since he left.
84 Grad
4/18/17 5:40pm
what did he do specifically to coach them up?
icecougar
4/18/17 6:43pm
lol, so he gets 0 credit for the successes but all the blame for the failures?
LEHI cougar
4/18/17 6:55pm
No, the credit he gets is different. Not for developing him but recognizing...
icecougar
4/20/17 12:33am
Jimmer perfectly fit Rose's ad lib, free-flowing shoot at will
unctoothman
4/18/17 7:09pm
Rose's system absolutely made Jimmer. If Jimmer hadn't had the massive
LEHI cougar
4/18/17 7:15pm
So your definition of Coaching Up is Do What You Want?
84 Grad
4/18/17 7:19pm
You can't be that obtuse? Jimmer didn't get better from his
LEHI cougar
4/19/17 7:33am
Your words: "Massive green light and 0 accountability."
84 Grad
4/19/17 7:56am
BINGO!
icecougar
4/20/17 12:34am
tell them we're sad to see him leave
icecougar
4/18/17 6:39pm
My take? This blows.
byujdmba
4/18/17 10:19pm
I don't think he was ever going to be a star, but I don't think that matters
Epileptic Beagle
4/18/17 11:27pm
May sound harsh but you can get a million kids like him anytime. He's probably a good kid but in all
The Dude Abides
4/18/17 11:46pm
Sure but there is value in retention and not having to retrain everyone every
Epileptic Beagle
4/19/17 12:08am
I definitely see your point and with guys like Chatman, Bartley, Neilson, etc I 100% agree. I just don't think
The Dude Abides
4/19/17 8:01am
Totally agree. Great kid, maybe a hard worker, not really a D1 player. Definitely not worth a scholarship
RoaroftheCougartails
4/19/17 9:07am
While I doubt he'd ever be a starter
donnerstag
4/19/17 9:19am
It's Even more sad than when Joanie Loves Chachi was cancelled.
Belboz
4/18/17 11:45pm
Maybe he'll start lobbing law bombs or start a law blog
mcnasty
4/20/17 11:21am
RE: Beo response to the Harmon article.
visitor
4/19/17 12:57pm
Sad that we have totally put our eggs into the LP3.
Blue for Life
4/19/17 6:16pm
It's the reality of college basketball right now. Unless you are a perrenial top
Lance71
4/19/17 6:24pm
I think Steven is a Great kid! Would have loved for him to stay. Agree with some of what you said.
RoaroftheCougartails
4/19/17 6:44pm
Was aware of some of this but not all. Personally I was hoping he would stay and develop. Thought he did well
soupie
4/19/17 8:28pm
I agree. It's poor form and bad karma to
bigjohn
4/20/17 7:33am
Not sure you got out of my message what I meant, but okay.
soupie
4/20/17 8:35am
I got your message and agree. Juggling scholarships is not easy in basketball
LV Mike
4/20/17 9:06am
Exactly. I'm more concerned about "how" things are handled than the actual actions. Those
soupie
4/20/17 9:50am
Frankly this was my take, too
byujdmba
4/19/17 10:58pm
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