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Sep 17, 2020
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Blueto
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I think you're overestimating Love, Irving, and Bosh. All put up stats. None are
winners. The only one I'd compare in that list to Pippen is Wade. Jordan never won a single playoff series without Pippen as a teammate.
But let's do coaches next. Who you got Phil or Lue?
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Hall of Famers and future HOFers that played with Jordan and Lebron
kimdaddy35
9/17/20 4:08pm
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rivercitycoug
9/17/20 4:13pm
There is no NBA Hall of Fame. That’s the problem. It takes into account high
Jdoc
9/17/20 4:22pm
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rivercitycoug
9/17/20 4:32pm
Howard should get in. He was really elite for awhile.
PHXSUNS31
9/17/20 4:25pm
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rivercitycoug
9/17/20 4:34pm
Other than rings, you could make a case that Dwight Howard's resume is better
kimdaddy35
9/17/20 4:30pm
Bosh was an 11-time all-star...
CoogsCoogs85
9/17/20 5:41pm
Ya you’re probably right. Though Grant Hill gets a college boost to his resume.
PHXSUNS31
9/17/20 5:42pm
Content might've been good, but I quit reading when you listed Shaq, who was 37
BGRTHNUMEGO
9/17/20 4:19pm
Yes and I put that obviously Lebron did not play with that Shaq.
kimdaddy35
9/17/20 4:32pm
I think you're overestimating Love, Irving, and Bosh. All put up stats. None are
Blueto
9/17/20 4:19pm
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rivercitycoug
9/17/20 4:20pm
No. Not the version that plays with LBJ. He was picked up off the scrap heap.
Blueto
9/17/20 4:22pm
You are vastly underestimating them. Basketball Reference thinks they will all
kimdaddy35
9/17/20 4:34pm
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rivercitycoug
9/17/20 4:38pm
Kyrie was traded straight across for Isiah Thomas on a Cs team that made the
Blueto
9/17/20 4:43pm
I’d guess he’ll do fine with KD as well. He’s a #2
PHXSUNS31
9/17/20 5:43pm
I'm not a Kyrie fan either, but it doesn't change the fact that he will almost
kimdaddy35
9/18/20 2:28pm
I think you're underestimating Kyrie. Lebron gets one more ship in CLE with him
machete
9/17/20 4:37pm
Celtics went to the conference finals, traded for Kyrie, got bounced in the 2nd
Blueto
9/17/20 4:48pm
Lebron doesn't win his chip in CLE without him. He was clutch in that series
machete
9/17/20 4:54pm
What do you mean when you say those guys weren't "winners?"
CoogsCoogs85
9/17/20 5:42pm
It’s a little misleading to count Shaq, Allen, or Howard. None were close to HOF
PHXSUNS31
9/17/20 4:21pm
Also playing with 2 teams with 2 additional all stars (thus 4 total all stars)
2018grad
9/17/20 4:34pm
It is All-Star games when they were on his team buddy
kimdaddy35
9/17/20 4:36pm
Sorry, I meant hall of famers. Listing that is irrelevant. I didn’t understand
2018grad
9/17/20 4:39pm
He's not angry, he said "buddy"
ochobeeguy
9/17/20 4:52pm
I put that in the ppg for all of them. Although without Allen Lebron has 2
kimdaddy35
9/17/20 4:35pm
Sure but everyone needs role players. How many titles does Jordan have w/o grant
PHXSUNS31
9/17/20 4:46pm
Over-the-hill HOFers that played with Lebron: Shaq, Love, Allen, Howard
ochobeeguy
9/17/20 4:51pm
Love wasn't over the hill. The others shouldn't have even been mentioned though
TheismanHill1911
9/17/20 5:22pm
Not over the hill, but no longer good enough to warrant HOF consideration.
ochobeeguy
9/19/20 10:27am
Phil Jackson is a big name to leave off. Who has coached Lebron? Spo was good but that is about it.
Baron
9/17/20 5:04pm
Spo is probably a HOF coach
CoogsCoogs85
9/17/20 5:46pm
All-NBA teammates are the better comparison. Strips out the washed up folk
climps
9/17/20 5:11pm
I’d like to see first vs second vs third team all-nba breakdown too. That would
2018grad
9/17/20 5:17pm
Pippen had 2 1st, 2 2nd’s, 2 3rds. Also another 1st when Jordan didn’t play.
PHXSUNS31
9/17/20 5:25pm
Thanks for the info
climps
9/17/20 7:32pm
Your argument would’ve been a lot stronger if you’d left off Howard, Shaq, and Allen
DieHarder
9/17/20 5:13pm
Or at least add George Gervin to Jordan's list. He was about as useful as Shaq
HBCoug
9/17/20 5:19pm
Artis Gilmore too
PHXSUNS31
9/17/20 5:29pm
I think he had already moved on to San Antonio prior to Jordan getting drafted.
HBCoug
9/17/20 5:32pm
He came back in 87-88 for 23 games
PHXSUNS31
9/17/20 5:35pm
I missed them or I would have added them. Didn't realize Gervin played with him
kimdaddy35
9/18/20 2:31pm
Jordan's teammates were elite defenders, lebron, not so much, also Kerr is the greatest 3pt shooter of all time
boyblue
9/18/20 7:03am
Are you serious on Kerr? He isn't in the top 200 in 3 pointers made in the NBA
kimdaddy35
9/18/20 3:21pm
I believe he does have the highest percentage all time
PHXSUNS31
9/18/20 6:25pm
15 years in the league and shot.454 for his caree, he was always a role player, and was Fantastic at his role
boyblue
9/19/20 9:41am
Lol, when Jordan left the Bulls they were atrocious. You are just making things
kimdaddy35
9/19/20 3:02pm
93 season when Jordan retired to play baseball, the bulls won 55 games, only 2 fewer than the year before
boyblue
9/19/20 3:56pm
I compared similar situations. Lebron left and Cleveland went into a rebuild
kimdaddy35
9/19/20 5:36pm
HAVEN'T I BEEN ARGUING THAT KERR WAS A ROLE PLAYER! AND HE WAS REALLY GOOD AT HIS ROLE!
boyblue
9/19/20 6:49pm
So according to your theory Jordan won titles
kimdaddy35
9/19/20 10:28pm
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