It’s lost time. Easily out for a year last reduced learning days by more than 20 days. It’s stealing education from kids

Jan 25, 2022
10:12:56pm

Spiff SequelTrilogyFan

I see the results of this reduced time, online school, early out, quarantines, etc every day in my classroom.

How many students do you work with for 6 1/2 hours a days?

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Alpine School District to go to 4 weeks of early out. Starting January 31st.

TANK All-American

1/25/22 8:09pm

...? Because one less hour a day is gonna stop Covid?

RoyalCoug99

1/25/22 8:10pm

"To address teacher fatigue"

RGGeemer

1/25/22 8:11pm

What does that even mean?

BYUtka

1/25/22 8:13pm

Just reading the bulletin

RGGeemer

1/25/22 8:13pm

consider it "the market" correcting. teachers (among other jobs) are leaving -

BYJung

1/25/22 8:21pm

Can you imagine if jobs actually paid based on how undesirable and difficult?

Gunga Galunga

1/25/22 8:24pm

Teaching isn't a "market" profession.

UNLVcougar

1/25/22 8:31pm

And yet forces of supply and demand still are relevant and will influence

BYJung

1/25/22 8:36pm

It's a publicly funded profession. There will always be ceilings and floors that

UNLVcougar

1/25/22 8:46pm

are you saying that publicly funded jobs aren't subject to external forces that

BYJung

1/25/22 9:00pm

I'm saying if it is a market at all, it's one extremely hampered

UNLVcougar

1/25/22 9:17pm

I'd argue that administrative policies like this DO have impact on the labor

BYJung

1/26/22 7:54am

Nvm, dont feel like starting something

Gunga Galunga

1/25/22 8:18pm

Then what is the entire summer break for?

Ojiisan

1/25/22 8:56pm

Link?

Richard McCoy Jr.

1/25/22 8:11pm

RE: Link?

TANK

1/25/22 8:12pm

Thank you.

Richard McCoy Jr.

1/25/22 8:13pm

3:14:44 minutes into that video they post the slides

BillyGoat

1/26/22 8:58am

RE: 3:14:44 minutes into that video they post the slides

BillyGoat

1/26/22 9:30am

What is this supposed to accomplish?

BYUtka

1/25/22 8:12pm

Address teacher fatigue.

TANK

1/25/22 8:13pm

The only thing I can think of is it will give teachers time to make online

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 8:13pm

They don’t have enough staff to cover so teachers have been filling in for each

O Gaucho

1/25/22 8:16pm

That doesn’t really answer the question. What does an hour a day accomplish?

Graystation

1/25/22 8:18pm

It’s meant to alleviate teacher stress. But it really doesn’t do much.

Ted Lasso

1/25/22 8:21pm

Teachers will be more willing to sub during prep periods because they will have

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 8:22pm

Yes. They lose prep time when they cover. They are also paying more to cover.

Ted Lasso

1/25/22 8:22pm

To whoever thumbsed this down.. what’s wrong with you?

Adwight

1/25/22 9:12pm

And now the poor principal has to totally go revamp the entire school schedule

O Gaucho

1/25/22 9:19pm

And, handling the students out sick has been an extra burden. My wife teaches HS and said work-wise the last month has

zsmooth

1/26/22 4:03am

Ugh...

Jimo Dashen

1/25/22 8:12pm

My mom (retired educator) is subbing. She has basically been full time

Hypnotoad

1/25/22 8:21pm

Covid protocols..real sickness...and no subs for same reasons +pay

CarolinaCoug

1/25/22 9:33pm

Right as I'm starting a fully remote position with a new company... Great 😒. Four stir crazy kids. It won't be easy.

germm

1/25/22 8:22pm

Maybe start work at 6 and be done by the time they get home at 2?

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 8:34pm

Unfortunately I have to work the same time as my clients

germm

1/25/22 8:41pm

Teacher fatigue is the latest buzz word. We have created a society of whiny

Taccoug

1/25/22 8:23pm

They also get paid next to nothing. Is a teachers wage even liveable anymore?

blackandblue

1/25/22 8:26pm

Not at my kids school according to the state website on public employee salaries

BYU'01

1/25/22 8:35pm

In my state those do not show the salary but total compensation including the

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 8:37pm

Same in Utah.

O Gaucho

1/25/22 8:38pm

That is incorrect. Transparent.Utah.gov shows salary & benefits separately.

BYU'01

1/25/22 8:51pm

I stand corrected. That is a much better site than the old Utahsright one they

O Gaucho

1/25/22 8:54pm

How much do they make?

ReyOso

1/25/22 8:37pm

Staring around 42K. Good luck living on that.

Ted Lasso

1/25/22 8:49pm

So a 22 year old directly out of school with a bachelors making 42k

rtNelson

1/25/22 9:03pm

Yep, no problems for a single person income.

Ted Lasso

1/25/22 9:09pm

Yeah, 3 kids and a house on 42k is hard. But that's the starting pay.

rtNelson

1/25/22 9:20pm

Unfortunately, the teachers Union doesn’t look out for younger teachers.

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 9:39pm

Most of my peers didn’t have 3 kids upon completing undergrad

BYU'01

1/25/22 9:54pm

My sons 1st grade teacher makes $89k salary + $52k benefits. 180 school days

BYU'01

1/25/22 8:57pm

That equals over 118k per year for a full 12 month job

Ojiisan

1/25/22 9:05pm

Which most people still wouldn’t take. Thirty 6 year olds All day?

O Gaucho

1/25/22 9:21pm

Is that in Utah?

BlueBlood94

1/25/22 10:14pm

Yes

BYU'01

1/25/22 10:35pm

How many years has she been teaching & what degrees does she have?

Soupie

1/25/22 10:47pm

I believe ~10 yrs & nearly certain she earned an masters degree while teaching

BYU'01

1/26/22 8:00am

Where in Utah is this? I've never heard of anything remotely close to this for

O Gaucho

1/26/22 8:30am

The 3 wks is surprising. My district gives 5 personal days a year and sick leave but that's it. You even

Soupie

1/26/22 8:55am

Yeah this is why I am asking which district. I researched school district

O Gaucho

1/26/22 9:08am

Thats the district down here too. He hasnt said what district yet.

CarolinaCoug

1/26/22 9:38am

I probably confused PTO policy; salary info came from transparent.utah.gov that

BYU'01

1/26/22 7:28pm

Yeah 10 yrs with a masters gets you $70,000 in ASD. Here is the salary schedule

O Gaucho

1/26/22 7:43pm

Judging by the car selection at my kids school, they are doing just fine.

mtcougar

1/25/22 8:51pm

You should teach for a year or so....trust me, you'd change your tune

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

1/25/22 8:27pm

It’s a chosen profession though. Nobody forced people to be teachers. Surely

Graystation

1/25/22 8:29pm

Honestly, most don't know what they are getting in to...but, sure, they choose

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

1/25/22 8:31pm

Well those older people could always go into administration right? 😉

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 8:35pm

LOL...true...maybe I'm the exception but I remember what it's like to teach...

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

1/25/22 8:40pm

Nobody could have predicted what they're dealing with. Seriously, stop commenting about what you don't know

jdub

1/25/22 8:31pm

So as long as it’s not slavery no one can go to their boss to tell them their

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 8:32pm

Awesome straw man. I do feel bad for teachers. I’m sure it’s been an incredibly

Graystation

1/25/22 8:35pm

What did you study to be in college?

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 8:36pm

Finance. I had an incredibly successful 15 years of it. Just left to join law

Graystation

1/25/22 8:38pm

Do you feel like your schooling gave you an accurate representation of what a

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 8:41pm

Absolutely it did! I also have a masters and I feel like both prepared me.

Graystation

1/25/22 8:44pm

You know, when I called you on it the first time, you should have probably recognized your comment was bad

jdub

1/25/22 8:38pm

Just board mail me what you want to say so you don’t get banned.

Graystation

1/25/22 8:39pm

This will do, multiplied by about 10

jdub

1/25/22 8:42pm

The problem is this....a teacher, at least a secondary teacher, has around 200

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

1/25/22 8:37pm

I like you, and your reasonable takes. I’m certainly not anti-teacher at all.

Graystation

1/25/22 8:43pm

Well, my mom, my HCBW and now you....my fan club is getting bigger 🙂 Honestly,

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

1/25/22 8:50pm

Lamest response that gets repeated over and over by people that don’t have a

O Gaucho

1/25/22 8:37pm

They should make it easier to get in and out of the profession.

ReyOso

1/25/22 8:38pm

In Utah you don’t even have to be licensed to teach at the start. You can come

O Gaucho

1/25/22 8:43pm

I've agreed with everything you've said in this thread up until the minimal

Loon to the Moon

1/25/22 11:09pm

How long ago was that?

O Gaucho

1/26/22 7:29am

Last year, 20-21, was his lone year in public school. He's back at the

Loon to the Moon

1/26/22 2:21pm

I was asking because I think it was last year that they shifted the requirements

O Gaucho

1/26/22 2:28pm

Just wait until they pass all the nonsense bills this legislative session…

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 8:39pm

What’s the curriculum about specifically?

D.T. Survivor

1/25/22 9:11pm

Basically make it so anything and everything that might be shown to students has

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 9:18pm

You can tell parents’ trust in teachers being apolitical is very low right now

D.T. Survivor

1/25/22 9:27pm

Then do it. If I don’t like my job, I’m not sitting around to wallow in it.

Graystation

1/25/22 8:46pm

They are, hence the problem. What do we do with the kids all day when no one is

O Gaucho

1/25/22 9:24pm

Give them a week in my classes they would change their tune and agree with you

Adwight

1/25/22 9:13pm

It's a profession that 50% choose to leave after 5 years because pay/work

runnincoug

1/25/22 8:40pm

Not necessarily. My wife taught for 4 years and always made fun of

IGotGoodGifs

1/25/22 8:50pm

Why on earth did she quit?

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 9:13pm

We moved for my job.

IGotGoodGifs

1/25/22 9:16pm

No schools where you live now?

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 9:19pm

Not hiring what she teaches. She will go back to teaching as soon as she can.

IGotGoodGifs

1/25/22 9:21pm

Wow, when you really don't know the situation, you probably shouldn't comment

jdub

1/25/22 8:30pm

I don't know the situation there, but I certainly know it where I live, and I

UNLVcougar

1/25/22 8:36pm

Yeah, you should have stopped with "I don't know". That would have made you look better. I DO know much it

jdub

1/25/22 8:39pm

I've attended more than enough school board meetings where I live

UNLVcougar

1/25/22 8:43pm

I don't know how to tell you this, but Clark County is not Utah County

jdub

1/25/22 8:49pm

1. I don't live in Clark County. 2. I'm not an attorney.

UNLVcougar

1/25/22 9:14pm

RE: 1. I don't live in Clark County. 2. I'm not an attorney.

Sid Vicious

1/25/22 9:15pm

1) The point still stands, 2) that makes a WHOLE lot more sense now

jdub

1/25/22 9:22pm

Have you become "woke" and are now "cancelling" the teachers? Interesting.

germm

1/25/22 8:34pm

You have no idea what it is like clearly. Horrible take.

Heath Squashwell

1/25/22 8:41pm

I taught for 3 years

AZ Coug

1/25/22 9:03pm

You sound like a great teacher. I taught for 6 and it kicked my butt.

Heath Squashwell

1/25/22 9:07pm

My wife is a teacher in ASD. She asked, “where did you hear that already?” My

O Gaucho

1/25/22 8:31pm

LOL..this is SO true

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

1/25/22 8:32pm

I remember first hearing about the killing of bin laden on CB and it was not being reported anywhere else.

TANK

1/25/22 8:34pm

According to our kids the teachers basically do nothing anyway

Beggar

1/25/22 8:43pm

Mine too.

CarolinaCoug

1/25/22 9:50pm

Lol. They are not even trying to teach at my son's high school. But the

Sid Vicious

1/25/22 8:39pm

amen

Beggar

1/25/22 8:44pm

Can I come to your workplace and tell you how poorly you do your job

Utefaninenemyland

1/25/22 9:02pm

You are welcome to. I get scrutinized every single day.

Sid Vicious

1/25/22 9:05pm

That sucks for your kids. Mine are still learning. My teens are in 2 different

CarolinaCoug

1/25/22 9:53pm

I understand teacher fatigue but why is it so much worse than pre-Covid?

Heath Squashwell

1/25/22 8:40pm

Number of students and teachers sick for one.

TANK

1/25/22 8:42pm

Preparing lessons for in person and online, while you give up your prep time

Charles Darwin

1/25/22 8:44pm

In Utah, the legislature made attendance optional these last two years. Kids

O Gaucho

1/25/22 8:47pm

Teacher i know has 1kid miss over 40 days of school already. No severe ilnesses

CarolinaCoug

1/25/22 9:59pm

Then it's the teacher/school's fault when they fall behind.

Soupie

1/25/22 10:01pm

I asked a teacher this the other day who is a patient of mine.

PKCoug

1/25/22 9:34pm

There has been a dramatic change in student behavior. I've never seen the amount

FabLabCougar

1/25/22 9:52pm

Yeah, this has been an ongoing problem for years, building up

Heath Squashwell

1/25/22 9:52pm

It's almost like ripping everything from them, shutting down their lives and

BYUtka

1/25/22 10:02pm

And sometimes stand up to them.

Soupie

1/25/22 10:12pm

I honestly think kids are in school too long.

MetaLearner

1/25/22 8:41pm

But but who is going to babysit our kids????

JohnnyC

1/25/22 8:55pm

This is it. This is why teachers are considered essential workers. Child care

BYJung

1/25/22 9:03pm

I’ve read home schooled kids can get thru more material and finish much earlier

D.T. Survivor

1/25/22 9:13pm

Sure, if they have a educated parent with excellent dedication and resources.

Ted Lasso

1/25/22 9:16pm

If getting through material is the only goal, that's a no brainer.

Loon to the Moon

1/25/22 11:22pm

I also read that home schooled kids test 40% better

D.T. Survivor

1/26/22 7:33am

Yep and they're not held back by disruptive kids

MetaLearner

1/26/22 8:27am

Kindergarten is 2hrs and 15min? Crazy

EarlSpeak

1/25/22 9:06pm

The message this sends to kids when school districts cut days and hours willynilly like they have the last 2+ years is:

Spiff

1/25/22 9:59pm

Yes 4 weeks is an entire year of school. Omicron will have burnwd thru..

CarolinaCoug

1/25/22 10:03pm

It’s lost time. Easily out for a year last reduced learning days by more than 20 days. It’s stealing education from kids

Spiff

1/25/22 10:12pm

Other countries with much better education systems than ours have less seat time

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