You'd need to compare it to other QB's and see how much improvement is shown on

Aug 27, 2015
1:42:23pm

currentbyustudent

average between sophomore and junior seasons. That way we'd know if Beck's improvement was just a normal, expected improvement that comes with experience or if there were other factors, like the coaching change.

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How bare was the cupboard in the Crowton years?

donnerstag

8/27/15 10:50am

Crowton recuited some fantastic players

Bloodhound

8/27/15 11:07am

Also lost CJ Ah You

8theU

8/27/15 2:34pm

Lavell left the cupboard pretty bare and Crowton filled it with a bunch

QuickCoug

8/27/15 11:09am

That's scary

KingDave

8/27/15 11:20am

Crowton left the program with a bunch of players that did succeed

donnerstag

8/27/15 11:26am

Did you watch the '02 thru '04 seasons?

Left Shark Coug

8/27/15 11:35am

The numbers weren't that much different

donnerstag

8/27/15 11:49am

1200 more yards, 12 more TD's and a higher efficiency rating aren't much

Left Shark Coug

8/27/15 11:54am

Why don't you compare in an apples to apples way?

donnerstag

8/27/15 12:16pm

Sure, let's just make up stats and call it apples to apples.

Left Shark Coug

8/27/15 12:32pm

No. I'm saying you can't compare TDs and yards thrown when there is a material

donnerstag

8/27/15 12:52pm

A quantum leap between his junior and senior seasons? You serious, Clark?

Left Shark Coug

8/27/15 1:09pm

Beck went from a 2:1 TD to Int ratio to 4:1 as a senior

donnerstag

8/27/15 1:22pm

He quit tossing picks, basically.

Left Shark Coug

8/27/15 1:44pm

No. He threw more TDs and threw less Ints

donnerstag

8/27/15 2:09pm

I got you too focused on just the QB. Beck's stats were just the start.

Left Shark Coug

8/27/15 2:54pm

again, shallow analysis. 04 team played the #11 toughest schedule....

icecougar

8/28/15 4:15pm

if you were old enough to watch games back then you could see the difference

icecougar

8/28/15 4:06pm

You'd need to compare it to other QB's and see how much improvement is shown on

currentbyustudent

8/27/15 1:42pm

The production we got from the QB spot was more or less steady from '05 to '09

Left Shark Coug

8/27/15 1:48pm

I meant you'd need to compare Beck's improvement from Soph. to Jr. seasons

currentbyustudent

8/27/15 2:17pm

kind of dumb, he had nearly 200 more attempts, of course he's going to compile..

icecougar

8/28/15 3:59pm

2001 was stacked with talent, even on D, despite the fact our D sucked that year

Jericho

8/27/15 11:37am

Crowton found lightning in a bottle with Doman/Staley

donnerstag

8/27/15 11:44am

Yeah, for sure. Just making the point that he had a lot of future NFL

Jericho

8/27/15 11:46am

The problem was that there was nobody in the pipeline

HiLife

8/27/15 11:55am

absolutely true

Jericho

8/27/15 11:58am

The wide receiving corps was the best Utah County had to offer

donnerstag

8/27/15 12:17pm

It was pretty bad, for sure

Jericho

8/27/15 12:31pm

The loss at home to unlv in 2004 plus off field is why he was fired.

rcbyufan

8/27/15 11:26am

It didn't help that his long time friend and DC was in love with the 3,3,5

8theU

8/27/15 2:39pm

Except he gave away the Stanford game and the Wyoming game was just

Left Shark Coug

8/27/15 11:32am

Imagine if he had lost to Nevada or a 1 win uva or 54-10

CarolinaCoug

8/27/15 1:41pm

English, dude, English.

Left Shark Coug

8/27/15 1:46pm

He did worse than that, he lost to UNLV at home and threw the ball 50 times to

mtnKat

8/27/15 2:06pm

Nothing is worse than 54-10 and Nevada is little bro to unlv

CarolinaCoug

8/27/15 2:14pm

Not to get too picky, but UNR owns UNLV in football and it's not even close

Jericho

8/27/15 2:18pm

I agree kinda like Utah owning us huh? But I mean historiclly

CarolinaCoug

8/27/15 2:25pm

Utah has always had the better record over us

Jericho

8/27/15 2:29pm

They haven't played each other much...I would have thought

CarolinaCoug

8/27/15 2:44pm

I'm not even sure what you are saying

Jericho

8/27/15 2:54pm

I should stop with your Nevada is little bro to unlv comment. You have no

mtnKat

8/27/15 5:44pm

LOL @ those WRs

ag4cougs

8/27/15 1:44pm

Wasn't the cupboard bare partially due to his own recruiting?

Bostonblue

8/27/15 1:49pm

That was one position group basically

donnerstag

8/27/15 2:02pm

It was a failure that was one of his major undoings. It made his firing easy.

Bostonblue

8/27/15 2:52pm

They were low on talent for sure, but keep in mind that there were 2 losses

XXL

8/27/15 3:00pm

Crowton also brought in David Nixon, Bryan Kehl, Manase Tonga, Harvey Unga..

icecougar

8/28/15 3:47pm

Unga was recruited by Bronco

Jericho

8/28/15 4:04pm

Unga was part of Crowton's last recruiting class in 2005. Bronco inherited that

icecougar

8/28/15 4:27pm

Bronco had to seal the deal on the Unga recruitment, it is well known that

Jericho

8/28/15 4:52pm

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