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Oct 13, 2015
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CLCougar
Sounds like there are DEFINITELY not mission plans for this young man
He just PLANS to make a few mistakes so he can LEARN from them.
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I could be wrong, but it sounds like a lot of negative recruiting taking place
whoneedscorners?
10/13/15 4:16pm
Sounds like the recruiting script of a certain school
YIsForBrigham
10/13/15 4:17pm
Probably, yeah.
mantis mutu
10/13/15 4:17pm
Sounds more like he just doesn't want to have to worry about living the HC.
Turnpike Lane
10/13/15 4:18pm
He was once a commit. He just up and decided he didn't want to live the
whoneedscorners?
10/13/15 4:19pm
RE: He was once a commit. He just up and decided he didn't want to live the
Opietheman
10/13/15 9:17pm
You serious Clark? English your second language? Go read his statement.
kansascougar
10/13/15 9:18pm
RE: You serious Clark? English your second language? Go read his statement.
Opietheman
10/13/15 9:37pm
You are terrible liar.
kansascougar
10/13/15 9:39pm
RE: You are terrible liar.
Opietheman
10/13/15 9:43pm
Make reading between the lines your 4th language and you'll understand
Ulysses14
10/14/15 11:23am
I'm sure it had to do with Utah, but
southernfriedcougar
10/13/15 4:28pm
no surprise
acougfan
10/13/15 4:19pm
wow. I guess we can kiss this one goodbye. A lot of irony there with his comment
palangi
10/13/15 4:20pm
A kid that big not secure about his manhood to have someone question it?
mantis mutu
10/13/15 4:30pm
His loss
chestercougar
10/13/15 11:45pm
Sounds like he's been reading cougarboard.
Scratch
10/13/15 4:20pm
His comments sound very scripted
Seasider
10/13/15 4:20pm
He doesn't want someone to take away his opportunity to pay for his own mistakes
YIsForBrigham
10/13/15 4:22pm
I'm sure that's not what Fred Jr., told him exactly...he just got confused.
kansascougar
10/13/15 4:27pm
It probably is exactly what he told him.
YIsForBrigham
10/13/15 4:31pm
Fred Jr quoted him the 2nd Article of Faith and got it confused
icecougar
10/14/15 3:13pm
It means he doesn't want to pay for his mistakes.
Blue Print
10/13/15 7:55pm
This is correct
shatter2
10/14/15 4:18pm
So you sin (obviously; everyone does). I assume you believe that your sins will
Scratch
10/14/15 4:33pm
You are thinking that this board is a single person.
Blue Print
10/14/15 8:03pm
Wait, did you just compare going to BYU with baptism, temple marriage, temple
Scratch
10/15/15 10:40am
I was very careful.
Blue Print
10/15/15 11:32am
How about this. What higher law do these ordinances require? That is, what do
Scratch
10/15/15 11:49am
Because BYU represents the Church.
Blue Print
10/15/15 12:04pm
Scratch used red font so it's hard for Blue Print to trust his perspective
run26
10/15/15 12:06pm
Well we all know that "red" and "devil" go together.
Blue Print
10/15/15 12:09pm
I represent the church (it's part of my baptismal covenants). There are also
Scratch
10/15/15 12:24pm
Sure it is, but that's NOT what he said.
Blue Print
10/15/15 12:37pm
Yep, but a couple of things there.
Scratch
10/15/15 12:54pm
What environment does the Honor Code create?
WHO DEY
10/15/15 4:29pm
I agree, I know tons of BYU grads, including many of my close friends,
Scratch
10/15/15 4:39pm
I was there for two degrees, and never saw any tattle-taling
yahtzee
10/15/15 4:49pm
although i agree that the grooming standards are over the top
yahtzee
10/15/15 4:56pm
OK. Next?
Mister P
10/13/15 4:21pm
RE: I could be wrong, but it sounds like a lot of negative recruiting taking
flavordave
10/13/15 4:21pm
Sad the kid doesn't realize the honor code allows him to do all those things.
kansascougar
10/13/15 4:22pm
I interpret this as, "I plan on drinking and having sex and I don't want to
Duke Silver
10/13/15 4:24pm
I disagree. His attitude toward the honor code is shared by a lot of "worthy'
Virginia Ute
10/13/15 4:29pm
Seems completely disingenuous coming from the Whit clan
whoneedscorners?
10/13/15 4:33pm
Meanwhile... MSNBC reporting "lots of smart people like Hillary"
basc-coug
10/13/15 5:16pm
That's actually true
Cheesy Gordita
10/13/15 7:42pm
Man, if an LDS coach is saying that stuff, I feel sorry for them.
SPgoofyft
10/13/15 5:29pm
Except nobody has proof an lds coach said that.
Virginia Ute
10/13/15 5:34pm
I thought it was fairly common knowledge that KW uses negative recruiting...
Nut'n'2Say
10/13/15 6:23pm
I'm saying I don't know, and neither do you.
Virginia Ute
10/13/15 7:02pm
Typical ALUF denial
CosmosCuzzn
10/13/15 7:40pm
Denial? There is no evidence to support your claims
Virginia Ute
10/13/15 7:47pm
Unga said it in so many words, but that's not exactly evidence. just a matter
yahtzee
10/14/15 12:13am
has he given us any reason not to believe him?
icecougar
10/14/15 3:11pm
nope
yahtzee
10/15/15 11:37am
Wait wait wait. You're serious? Holy delusional. There's nothing true about that
SPgoofyft
10/13/15 8:31pm
Evidence?
Virginia Ute
10/14/15 3:29am
I'm not referring to whether it was a Utah or LDS coach. I talking about the
SPgoofyft
10/14/15 7:46am
LDS coaches at Utah certainly don't have a good track record:
icecougar
10/14/15 3:10pm
Except there's nothing true about what he said.
SPgoofyft
10/13/15 5:30pm
I choose to disagree with your disagreement! If you don't plan on having sex or
Bert609
10/13/15 5:54pm
I agree with you. that's exactly how I read it.
jayriggity
10/14/15 2:18pm
yes it is and i know a couple in my family
run26
10/13/15 6:21pm
In his statement, he talked about getting kicked off the football team because
Lance71
10/13/15 6:39pm
I agree. I, too, don't want someone making my choices for me
fierce16
10/14/15 2:30am
So you are saying "worthy" LDS people have trouble with the honor code
Cougarpride
10/14/15 8:51am
it's only a worry for people who have something to worry about...
icecougar
10/14/15 3:05pm
Good thing you don't have any idea
southernfriedcougar
10/13/15 4:30pm
This is ignorant and we as members of the church should not find off that way
District
10/13/15 5:14pm
Of course it's ignorant. I know nothing about him, but hearing a statement like
Duke Silver
10/13/15 5:21pm
What a crock of BS. Just because he doesn't like the HC doesn't mean he wants
Singcat
10/13/15 7:43pm
Judgmental, yes. I'm doing it too. We're all just going off of this one comment,
jayriggity
10/14/15 2:24pm
RE: I interpret this as, "I plan on drinking and having sex and I don't want to
Opietheman
10/13/15 9:20pm
As if signing up to live a different standard of your own free will is somehow
CalGTR
10/13/15 4:26pm
Great post... I agree!!!!
BYU4eVeR
10/13/15 5:04pm
It's an excuse for
I'mBatman
10/13/15 4:33pm
Any guesses which member of the Ute staff fed him this line? Scalley is the
kansascougar
10/13/15 4:34pm
He can have a "BYU experience" at Utah
idacoug
10/13/15 6:57pm
they even baptize players in the locker room whirlpool bath
icecougar
10/14/15 3:16pm
That wouldnt be my mindset, although I understand where he is coming from
Jericho
10/13/15 4:34pm
Maybe he just wants to steal cell phones and have Sim Gill let him off
Copelius
10/13/15 4:35pm
B/c that is how it works in real life, you choose your punishme..Steve Sarkisian
YipiKiYa
10/13/15 4:35pm
You know it very well could have been an ex BYU player who spoke to him
Upanddown
10/13/15 4:35pm
Oddly enough, I kept the honor code and it was a pretty natural thing
Carnac el Magnifico
10/13/15 4:37pm
Well my BIL is an RM Japan
Upanddown
10/13/15 4:41pm
I put myself through school selling Beer cards, Laminator machine, bang,
MatthiasG
10/13/15 7:14pm
You really believe it's an ex BYU player that fed him that line?
Lance71
10/13/15 4:39pm
KW is an ex-BYU player...so, yeah. Sounds about right.
fulano
10/13/15 4:44pm
So is McMahon, Buck and Reno Mahe
Upanddown
10/13/15 5:38pm
How do you know it was the Ute staff for all we know he can be using the honor
Upanddown
10/13/15 4:53pm
LOL. Do you read your posts?
bluebloodedcoug
10/13/15 4:57pm
Sorry typing fast before football practice
Upanddown
10/13/15 5:34pm
Do they give out titles for 4th place in the PAC12 South now?
Turnpike Lane
10/13/15 5:38pm
Maybe he would have mentioned any of those things if they were the reason.
Dillinger
10/14/15 11:56am
Yep-KW
byutx
10/13/15 6:25pm
He had no problem with the BYU Honor Code until Utah started recruiting him.
NewMexiCoug
10/13/15 8:14pm
Sounds like the attitude of a lot of us fans....
RaggaeCoug
10/13/15 4:43pm
Oh the naive views of adolescents. But how does the entire team pay for his
SoValleyCOUG
10/13/15 4:43pm
Kyle's been feeding that line to recruits for a while and its why Sitake has
darkcoug
10/13/15 4:44pm
For real?
kansascougar
10/13/15 4:49pm
Yes, and USU's staff has tried using it recently too
darkcoug
10/13/15 4:52pm
Interesting. Do you know Kalani personally?
kansascougar
10/13/15 4:54pm
Nope.
darkcoug
10/13/15 4:56pm
That's the biggest load of crap ever, and yes I know Sitake personally.
wcj99
10/13/15 7:06pm
Then you would know that he'should been trying to get out of Utah for years
darkcoug
10/13/15 9:57pm
Answer this for me....
wcj99
10/14/15 11:55am
I don't know, but I do know that you refuse to answer me, either because I
darkcoug
10/14/15 12:01pm
Let me help you out then
wcj99
10/14/15 12:25pm
I don't give a rats butt if sitake recruits that way
District
10/14/15 12:35pm
"I don't want someone to live my life for me." Is that a real quote? LOL
slappy
10/13/15 4:45pm
It is a real quote from the Utah coaching staff. Yes.
Lance71
10/13/15 5:05pm
"I want to pay for my mistakes. But not have consequences."
BGRTHNUMEGO
10/13/15 4:45pm
^^^The Correct Answer^^^
PolarisPrime
10/13/15 4:58pm
That's not what they taught me "Satan's plan" was.
Polecat
10/13/15 5:05pm
Satan's plan was no consequence for sin.
PolarisPrime
10/13/15 5:13pm
Satan's plan was to take away our power to choose, and not let us know good or
Polecat
10/13/15 5:49pm
It's like you never even read my post. So how about a quote.
PolarisPrime
10/13/15 6:27pm
That's nice... But "play now pay later" is not what Satan's plan was in the
Polecat
10/13/15 6:31pm
OK... I think I'll just stick with President Benson
PolarisPrime
10/13/15 6:44pm
We were talking about satan's plan in the preexistence, were we not? They
Polecat
10/13/15 9:09pm
Well - following recruiting may not be the best thing anyway.
PolarisPrime
10/13/15 10:25pm
Bottom line is you're implying this kid wants to choose "sin" and be exempt from
Polecat
10/13/15 6:36pm
What hair are you trying to split exactly?
PolarisPrime
10/13/15 6:57pm
hmmmm....sounds like you posted your opinion like it was fact...
icecougar
10/14/15 3:20pm
Like Harris??
Lawbronc
10/13/15 5:01pm
He's saying he wants his consequences to be unrelated to football, not that he
Polecat
10/13/15 5:07pm
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MMCougIII
10/13/15 4:55pm
He actually sounds pretty mature to me.
Polecat
10/13/15 5:09pm
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MMCougIII
10/13/15 5:55pm
To think things out, and decide what's best for yourself is pretty mature. He
Polecat
10/13/15 6:03pm
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MMCougIII
10/13/15 6:09pm
Yeah how about you stop making your own version of quotes.
southernfriedcougar
10/13/15 6:22pm
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MMCougIII
10/13/15 6:45pm
Don't try to defend your crap
southernfriedcougar
10/13/15 6:51pm
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MMCougIII
10/13/15 6:53pm
I never actually called you crazy and you seem really fixated on that.
southernfriedcougar
10/13/15 7:22pm
You called him 'nuts'. You seem to have problems with people rephrasing.
Cachanilla83
10/13/15 7:24pm
Do either of you actually give a fart about the topic anymore
southernfriedcougar
10/13/15 7:26pm
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MMCougIII
10/13/15 7:36pm
Again, nothing to talk about. Let me know when you're ready.
southernfriedcougar
10/13/15 7:44pm
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MMCougIII
10/13/15 7:48pm
RE: You resorted to a personal attack rather than provide a logical rebuttal.
southernfriedcougar
10/13/15 8:43pm
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MMCougIII
10/13/15 9:06pm
RE: Seems like you're reading just as much into his comments.
southernfriedcougar
10/13/15 9:30pm
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MMCougIII
10/13/15 9:35pm
So again with the off-topic diversion response? If that suits you I guess.
southernfriedcougar
10/13/15 9:41pm
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MMCougIII
10/13/15 9:54pm
I made a fool of myself? Yeah. lol Whatever helps you sleep.
southernfriedcougar
10/13/15 9:56pm
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MMCougIII
10/13/15 10:22pm
Stop being a baby, #1.
southernfriedcougar
10/13/15 10:31pm
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MMCougIII
10/13/15 10:23pm
Exhibit A for why a good LDS kid would say the heck with BYU
cajuncoug
10/13/15 9:34pm
Crap is going down on CB
Rygrif
10/13/15 9:31pm
How long until there isn't enough room for them to keep arguing
Rygrif
10/13/15 9:39pm
Should have just said I don't want to live the honor code. What a bunch of
Ironhide
10/13/15 4:55pm
Sounds like there are DEFINITELY not mission plans for this young man
CLCougar
10/13/15 5:00pm
Why don't he just say... I want to Party Hardy in College...
BYU4eVeR
10/13/15 5:01pm
I think anyone saying that Kirby is planning on messing up is out of line
bluebloodedcoug
10/13/15 5:04pm
Let him go elsewhere....tired of these high school kids thinking they are so....
WJCougar
10/13/15 5:06pm
Ah, the eternal struggle
bluebloodedcoug
10/13/15 5:12pm
I don't think he consciously wants to mess up
Cougarrrs
10/13/15 5:19pm
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riboflavin
10/13/15 5:26pm
Clearly not a good fit for BYU
youngster
10/13/15 5:21pm
translation: i want to drink and repent when i want to and also do whatever i
Flyingdolphin
10/13/15 5:23pm
Possible negative recruiting, but I felt the same way when I transferred to BYU.
Sweetness
10/13/15 5:23pm
He should have just said that the honor code wasn't for him and left it at that
Bronoc
10/13/15 5:30pm
People have to justify choices they know are against their best interest
Cougarrrs
10/13/15 5:34pm
Another kid suckered by the bs that the Mormon in name only coach
pegushin
10/13/15 5:37pm
Wow, I don't know where to even start with this.
Scratch
10/13/15 5:41pm
I don't like the negative recruiting one bit...but I'm confident it has no...
Nut'n'2Say
10/13/15 6:33pm
That's utter nonsense and you have absolutely nothing
neboutefan
10/14/15 12:31pm
wish there was an option between thumbs up and down with the middle finger
pegushin
10/22/15 10:09am
Do you enjoy bearing false witness?
shakarocks
10/14/15 2:54pm
Look, BYU just suspended 2 guys for a game for being late. It IS very strict at
BYUfan92
10/13/15 5:41pm
No point in bringing up the first part once you have the "disclaimer"
southernfriedcougar
10/13/15 5:47pm
The problem with your rant is that he didn't say that
donnerstag
10/13/15 6:29pm
RE: The problem with your rant is that he didn't say that
BYUfan92
10/13/15 6:46pm
It's not a far logical leap to conclude that he fears
donnerstag
10/13/15 6:52pm
Violation of team rules for similar offenses is pretty common at other schools
LV Coug
10/13/15 10:32pm
Didn't they get suspended for sneaking out of the hotel room the night before
CObluezone
10/14/15 6:19am
Excellent post. Those speculating about why he doesn't want to go to byu
District
10/15/15 9:36am
That's not a believeable story in the slightest by Napoleon
donnerstag
10/15/15 10:31am
Napoleon?
jo0520
10/22/15 11:51am
Pretty distorted take on the honor code.
CougarBreath
10/13/15 5:46pm
BYU doesn't have Animal House, which is - frankly - a problem
LV Mike
10/13/15 5:49pm
Doesn't he realize at Utah they take away his right to make his own decisions...
Nut'n'2Say
10/13/15 6:02pm
This makes me sad. This kid needs better coaching.
HarlemCoug
10/13/15 6:20pm
Nothing wrong with what he said
SBJ
10/13/15 6:22pm
Sure, if he came up with that line of reasoning on his own.
whoneedscorners?
10/13/15 7:04pm
So he's dumb and immoral. Got it.
Scratch
10/13/15 7:49pm
No, he's a 17 year old kid
whoneedscorners?
10/13/15 8:41pm
LOL, this is the most comical statement I've heard in some time...
Bluedomination
10/13/15 6:35pm
Valid question in hindsight
TNT
10/13/15 8:15pm
I would love to hear Utah fans defending Utah on this, especially ALUFs
byutx
10/13/15 6:40pm
There are Yewts on this board defending it! Probably even claim to Be LDS
RealityCheckedCougr
10/13/15 7:59pm
Whit did a fireside in South Jordan to help him with Bingham kids. It was in my
RealityCheckedCougr
10/13/15 8:00pm
Come at me, bro!
Virginia Ute
10/13/15 8:03pm
Defending what? We're still waiting for proof of the
neboutefan
10/14/15 12:33pm
Sounds like we dodged a bullet.
cougarmikey
10/13/15 8:00pm
TNT doesn't have a problem with this
TNT
10/13/15 8:06pm
Those comments make no sense.
NewMexiCoug
10/13/15 8:12pm
This is KW to a T.
LV Coug
10/13/15 10:31pm
Correct or not, it's hard to sway someone with that perception of it
Harrison0Yfan
10/13/15 10:44pm
Eerily reminds me of times when you committed someone for baptism only
oonga
10/14/15 12:57am
Someone needs to straighten him out...
Ymer Dunker
10/14/15 7:27am
I think there is a lot of confusion in his life especially with his dad dying.
jo0520
10/14/15 7:59am
I am sad a young man would deny himself the support and experience at BYU
Cougarpride
10/14/15 8:40am
I want to be held accountable for my own mistakes,
WHO DEY
10/14/15 8:52am
but not for Adam's transgression...
icecougar
10/14/15 3:23pm
The kid wants to party, plain and simple.
bleedsblue
10/14/15 9:52am
RE: I could be wrong, but it sounds like a lot of negative recruiting taking
JuanitaCougar
10/14/15 11:50am
agreed Signed Dominique Hatfield, Brian Blechen and Marquis Wilson
icecougar
10/14/15 2:34pm
sounds like BYU coaches should retaliate that Utah would spiritually corrupt...
icecougar
10/14/15 2:58pm
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