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Mar 17, 2017
7:47:37pm

icecougar All-American

the concept of a stretch four isn't based on a specific height...

...as much as it is on the ability to shoot well from 3 and pull a defensive big out of the paint. JT played it pretty well for some really good BYU teams and he was only 6'6" and not a great leaper. In college you can get away with a little more creativity regarding size at that position. In the NBA where the avg height is something close to 6'8" it makes more of a difference.

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Coach Cleveland says byu needs to bring in a stretch 4.

thebruce

3/17/17 11:08am

I still think Dastrup can be that guy.

fredetteaboutit13

3/17/17 11:09am

That was supposed to be Dastrup.

byubyu

3/17/17 11:09am

No comment.

thebruce

3/17/17 11:10am

Ok I'll comment.

thebruce

3/17/17 11:13am

That was an agonizing 3 minutes for you, wasn't it.

AndyDwyer

3/17/17 11:22am

He also said: "maybe that is Dastrup"

BYUheaven

3/17/17 11:12am

Childs needs to practice free throws

LDTemplar

3/17/17 5:26pm

Something about his release is screwy

HootnHoller

3/18/17 8:02pm

I disagree

CaliWG

3/17/17 11:13am

I absolutely agree we need a wing off the bench...

thebruce

3/17/17 11:16am

We have solid PGs in Bryant and Haws

Remigius

3/17/17 11:28am

Look at BYU's "bad" losses. Every one of them was to a team with a quick PG.

CaliWG

3/17/17 11:31am

If Haws wants to play defense on the PG he has to improve his lateral

BYUheaven

3/17/17 11:37am

I'm not disputing we struggle against fast PG's.

thebruce

3/17/17 11:53am

The way to beat SMC is to pressure their ball handlers

CaliWG

3/17/17 12:11pm

I certainly agree that smc is beatable if you can pressure their guards

thebruce

3/17/17 12:18pm

and not let Landale set up where ever he wants in the low block...

icecougar

3/17/17 3:17pm

I think Haws can and will improve on D.

RoaroftheCougartails

3/17/17 2:09pm

and a major mindset change on defense from our PGs...

icecougar

3/17/17 3:08pm

Haws can become that point guard. He was a Fr, and will be better adjusted

Shteve

3/17/17 11:41am

No identity is the biggest problem, every guard and big man defends the PnR

BYUheaven

3/17/17 11:51am

BYU hasn't had a true defensive stopper at PG since Broadus

CaliWG

3/17/17 11:56am

Charles Abuou... Scheme will make up for alot of what we dont have athletically.

Shteve

3/17/17 12:04pm

Also why in that same year the speed of Malcolm Lee and Jones caused fits

BYUheaven

3/17/17 12:04pm

Hmmm, he is the last Hawaii player on BYU team. Is Villa that guy for BYU? He is

3/17/17 12:17pm

Seljaas could fill the 3/D role this upcoming season

MusicNtheSpokaneCoug

3/17/17 12:01pm

Nate Austin could have been that, but was not developed.

Shteve

3/17/17 11:14am

Isaac Nielson was that and got run off

CaliWG

3/17/17 11:15am

Very true. Makes you wonder why this isnt valued.

Shteve

3/17/17 11:19am

Watching all the WCC teams drive by our guards with no one in the key makes you

BYUheaven

3/17/17 11:22am

Yep, Austin set the screens but never was asked to do anything beyond that. A

BYUheaven

3/17/17 11:19am

I think they need a Stretch Armstrong.

PhilPete

3/17/17 11:18am

I agree because having Childs and Mika on the floor at the same time is horrible for spacing

Remigius

3/17/17 11:21am

It is Dastrup, guards are needed

chodilicus

3/17/17 11:23am

Yep, if the coaches can't develop Dastrup, Andrus, or Childs into a stretch 4

BYUheaven

3/17/17 11:29am

Yep, both Emery and Haws are 2s in how they play. They are both shoot first guys.

3/17/17 12:03pm

To your point, I think Noah's importance to that 2011 is undervalued.

Shteve

3/17/17 11:25am

more good basketball players always helps. So yes

Mayor of Cougartown

3/17/17 11:26am

Put a headband and some wraparound goggles on Jakob Hartsock and you've got

Run-DMT

3/17/17 11:39am

Yeah I would have liked to see Hartsock stay.

jensen46

3/17/17 12:31pm

Hartsock just gave up Basketball

chodilicus

3/17/17 12:44pm

I totally agree with you on Nate. He was way under-utilized on offense and probably could have

lightmann

3/17/17 12:46pm

So what is considered a stretch 4 these days? Are we talking sheer

DJROSS

3/17/17 12:29pm

A 4 who can shoot the 3

CMuehle

3/17/17 12:56pm

I'd prefer long slashing 3's that can get to the rim and play D.

Thrill

3/17/17 12:30pm

It's not one or the other.

thebruce

3/17/17 12:36pm

The kid from Timpview on a mish...potential stretch 4?

BYUfan92

3/17/17 12:55pm

Yes, but I'm mostly referring to next season.

thebruce

3/17/17 1:03pm

BYU needs so much that it is frightening.

Archaea

3/17/17 12:58pm

Too short to be a stretch 4?

CMuehle

3/17/17 1:08pm

I think of NBA stretch 4s being 6'10 to 7'

Archaea

3/17/17 1:26pm

I think of NBA stretch 4s being 6'10 to 7'

Archaea

3/17/17 1:28pm

Why would a stretch 4 be any taller or

CMuehle

3/17/17 1:30pm

He can be a stretch 4 to some extent. Size isn't an issue at all.

thebruce

3/17/17 1:11pm

He needs to develop a 3 point shot to have any chance at the NBA, but that isn't

cougaman

3/17/17 1:50pm

This^^^*

Cnation

3/17/17 7:34pm

the concept of a stretch four isn't based on a specific height...

icecougar

3/17/17 7:47pm

Gee...too bad he ran off Isaac Neilson

icecougar

3/17/17 1:56pm

Look at the stats, Neilson not a game changer

chodilicus

3/17/17 3:11pm

when building a team, having all players as game changers doesn't always...

icecougar

3/17/17 7:35pm

Someone like Dalton Nixon or Jakob Hartsock?

Coogar2

3/17/17 3:59pm

No, I want a guy that can start who is a jc or grad transfer

thebruce

3/17/17 4:57pm

that's asking a lot

icecougar

3/17/17 7:37pm

gotta fight hard to find one. We have 5 top 100 guys on our

thebruce

3/17/17 7:56pm

for this position I wish we did better recruiting international players...

icecougar

3/20/17 1:22pm

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