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BYU has a PR problem
Jersey hunter
12/7/17 12:05pm
Completely agree. Which is surprising b/c the church typically handles PR well.
Real Men Wear Blue
12/7/17 12:07pm
Sort of agree
NewYorkCougar
12/7/17 12:23pm
i'd give them a C to C-...at best...
ds7
12/7/17 12:40pm
Yeah, you're being a bit kind. Silence is their/our friend.
mantis mutu
12/7/17 1:59pm
BYU has lost (or losing) the SLC, Davis County market due to poor marketing/PR.
What_The_Hill?
12/7/17 1:39pm
Or due to the yewts improving and the proportion of LDS in those counties
SWP
12/7/17 2:49pm
I was driving to see my parents in Salem (near Spanish Fork)
Str8CashCougar
12/7/17 3:18pm
Hardly...not beating your rival in a decade is much more of a factor
Iman23
12/7/17 7:01pm
Huh? I’d have to strongly disagree there
zerome4sooners
12/7/17 3:15pm
The church PR is Average at best - All BYU PR is terrible
newbie
12/7/17 6:26pm
The church handles PR well? Are you kidding?
Tsisquan
12/7/17 9:29pm
For example, they've done a great job re: the BoM Musical.
Real Men Wear Blue
12/8/17 9:57am
Can't beat em join em is common sense not GREAT PR
Tsisquan
12/8/17 12:57pm
Or maybe you're looking for something that doesn't exist based on your
basman
12/7/17 12:09pm
Like a nice press release about Ty thanking him and saying he is always a part
BYUfan92
12/7/17 12:11pm
He hasn't been fired though...
Coug
12/7/17 12:14pm
You’re playing semantics - he was relieved and it was bungled
Jersey hunter
12/7/17 12:18pm
That's not the same as being fired...
Coug
12/7/17 12:24pm
Then sit on the information until you are ready to 'fill the vacuum' vs. letting
BoiseBlueCoug
12/7/17 2:48pm
Bungled? How? They announced he was fired. What more do you want?
SlantRoute
12/7/17 3:29pm
They didn't announce he was fired
SUAVO
12/7/17 5:27pm
When you’re the OC and then you’re not, you were fired.
SlantRoute
12/7/17 11:58pm
They're giving Detmer a chance to stay on the staff.
boscatar
12/7/17 1:42pm
And I loved the announcements for Houston and Hawaii football games.
boscatar
12/7/17 1:42pm
As somebody NOT in PR I agree with you - it seems we bungle a lot of things
BYUfan92
12/7/17 12:09pm
*almost everything
johnnycarson
12/7/17 1:04pm
Agree completely
Goliath
12/7/17 12:10pm
And BYU has a top notch PR program. Turn the AD PR over to the Bradley Lab and they'd do a pretty good job. IMO
soupie
12/7/17 12:10pm
Very true - BYU PR alums are everywhere in top firms
Jersey hunter
12/7/17 12:13pm
As a BYU PR grad and PR guy for 20 years, this is very naive
NewYorkCougar
12/7/17 12:21pm
Bradley lab has faculty oversight with real corp clients but thanks for taking me so literally. Didn't really
soupie
12/7/17 12:31pm
Thank goodness.
NewYorkCougar
12/7/17 12:34pm
I still wouldn't turn it over to them. You know what they say:
Turnpike Lane
12/7/17 12:35pm
Yes but many of the faculty did Do then came to BYU mid career. Also don't think it's a good idea
soupie
12/7/17 12:58pm
honest question: you think it would be worse than it is now?
Cougarclaw
12/7/17 12:53pm
Significantly. You wouldn't have PR advice coming from anyone
NewYorkCougar
12/7/17 1:12pm
You are correct - do you have any time to moonlight?
Jersey hunter
12/7/17 2:11pm
Agreed. Question for you....
Clausewitz
12/7/17 12:12pm
That’s more marketing than PR - you sell benefits not features
Jersey hunter
12/7/17 12:14pm
it has been that way for 40 years....they seem to think it the right way to do
Nat Gas Man
12/7/17 12:13pm
Agree with you... but 40 years ago the news cycle and information flow was
BoiseBlueCoug
12/7/17 2:53pm
I think the firing is the big PR problem. A short press release without any
Littlerich
12/7/17 12:13pm
Easily avoided by not hiring HC, OC and DC with no experience at their positions
Urbanite
12/7/17 12:14pm
Byu has has a public image problem since forever.
johnnycarson
12/7/17 12:15pm
It’s about time to change then - I’m tired of us looking inept
Jersey hunter
12/7/17 12:16pm
“There is no demand” for that
SJS
12/7/17 12:24pm
Yeah, let's aspire to be like a P5 program - like maybe UTennessee!! 🙂
ByuMba90
12/7/17 12:28pm
for sure
johnnycarson
12/7/17 1:02pm
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East1999
12/7/17 12:26pm
how high is the count now, that a p5 program has flat passed on us? 4 times?
johnnycarson
12/7/17 12:59pm
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East1999
12/7/17 2:55pm
i agree...but in this particular situation, where other coaches are still
nashty
12/7/17 12:27pm
BYU has a losing problem
Sea Chicken
12/7/17 12:28pm
It's a Mormon problem. Don't talk about it and hope it will go away.
pink22
12/7/17 12:30pm
in their defense...most issues require a base level of knowledge/understanding
ds7
12/7/17 12:44pm
What specifically would you do? Interview candidates before announcing that
Ulysses14
12/7/17 12:33pm
Not so granular - just talk about process and timing
Jersey hunter
12/7/17 2:13pm
Honestly, it's mostly just a handful of PR conscious people who care
Ulysses14
12/7/17 5:12pm
This is true. A PR mentor of mine used to say:
NewYorkCougar
12/7/17 8:18pm
Don't worry. I'm sure whoever manages PR for BYU is an outstanding Bishop.
yorksama
12/7/17 12:41pm
BYU traditionally likes to handle everything behind closed doors.
mudpupper
12/7/17 12:42pm
Absolutely!
2FarGone
12/7/17 12:48pm
If you can show me another situation at other institutions where the OC was
kotacoug
12/7/17 12:54pm
Bronco announced the rehire of Anae as OC, before a vacuum by firing Doman
Coogar2
12/7/17 12:57pm
RE: Bronco announced the rehire of Anae as OC, before a vacuum by firing Doman
kotacoug
12/7/17 1:12pm
Leads me to believe that a lot more is going on than simply Ty being reassigned. Curious that Holmoe and Kalani have
Bob Vance
12/7/17 12:58pm
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johnnycarson
12/7/17 1:00pm
No, it has a losing problem. Win games, and nobody will care about the rest.
All-American
12/7/17 12:58pm
Water wet.
vagabonder
12/7/17 1:28pm
BYU's relationship with the Church leads to some quirks
panguitch
12/7/17 2:06pm
The blending of church and university adds a complex layer of politics you don't
franklyvulgar
12/7/17 2:45pm
As someone who also works in PR, you are very correct.
RUNBYU1
12/7/17 2:16pm
you still can't buy tickets on byutickets.com if you are logged in to your
Mayor of Cougartown
12/7/17 2:31pm
I just noticed this yesterday as I tried to buy basketball tickets.
Str8CashCougar
12/7/17 3:33pm
I know someone who works with BYU in a B2B relationship and they're "different"
franklyvulgar
12/7/17 2:34pm
No time, BB Student section needs baby sitters....
blackshirts
12/7/17 3:23pm
I think they do fine. Have you seen the Tennessee mess? We’re far from that.
SlantRoute
12/7/17 3:24pm
You're right, we are ranked 129 out of 130 in crap pile mess...
blackshirts
12/7/17 3:30pm
Did they fir Detmer? I thought he was kept on staff. It would be pretty hard
Bullrider
12/7/17 4:01pm
it's semantics. If you were relieved of your job responsibilities ...
mindzeYe
12/7/17 11:49pm
LOL @ church owned entity being more transparent
Kerbouchard
12/7/17 4:02pm
BYU has a CB problem
swimbro
12/7/17 4:25pm
Well, yes. And your point is?
soupie
12/7/17 4:36pm
I agree. Our cornerbacks are traditionally mediocre at best.
Gerald-DeGroot
12/7/17 9:20pm
I feel TH has done tremendous things as BYU AD
pappabear246
12/7/17 5:53pm
There is no demand for any updates.
timponyloco
12/7/17 6:36pm
As someone who doesn’t know hardly a thing about PR...
CB4
12/7/17 7:38pm
yes, our punt returners weren't very good last season.
icecougar
12/7/17 8:12pm
Actually I think it's a Stake Calling
icecougar
12/7/17 8:13pm
Ya think?
HowardH
12/7/17 8:30pm
Sounds like we have an AD problem.
blackshirts
12/7/17 9:45pm
longtime pro in ent/sports pr and couldn't agree more
mindzeYe
12/7/17 11:25pm
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