I probably should have stated it differently. Expansion in and of itself wasn't

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Nov 15, 2018
2:54:41pm

Oranje Starter

the problem, but all of the other problems started with expansion and the decisions that accompanied it.

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Oranje

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I don't trust MHver3 at all, but he is right about one thing.

Oranje

11/15/18 2:45pm

The real question is what can they do differently?

mudpupper

11/15/18 2:48pm

I probably should have stated it differently. Expansion in and of itself wasn't

Oranje

11/15/18 2:54pm

They should have never made the agreements they did with the cable companies

DJROSS

11/15/18 4:13pm

they're also stuck because of geography and their own elitism...

icecougar

11/15/18 6:37pm

They have pretty much locked up every major market out west already. The only

mudpupper

11/15/18 8:15pm

BYU IS Pac 12 worthy

Da_full_Cosmo

11/16/18 11:01am

Give up the p12 network and go to an 8 game schedule. Schedule more big time OOC games and play more during the day

YIsForBrigham

11/15/18 6:46pm

that will help drive viewership in time zones further east

icecougar

11/15/18 7:06pm

Utah tried that, but state legislature audited them for it.

Bluegoogles

11/15/18 7:48pm

With an 8 game conference schedule, Utah can schedule an extra nice OOC game and still not destroy one of the most

YIsForBrigham

11/15/18 8:17pm

Important? How so? It only benefits one team. It's a lose/lose for the other.

Bluegoogles

11/15/18 9:08pm

That's B.S.

Da_full_Cosmo

11/16/18 11:03am

How so? Because CB says so?

Bluegoogles

11/16/18 5:43pm

I highly doubt anyone outside of the AD/school pres has the pulse on how AZ/ASU are feeling about the PAC 12.

Zach Morris

11/15/18 2:48pm

It's been discussed a lot in the Arizona press (mainly radio). It's no secret.

Oranje

11/15/18 2:55pm

They make more now than before and so I ask what is really different or worse?

Y4LYFE

11/15/18 5:13pm

If your revenue growth is at 50% but you're competition's revenue growth is at

Oranje

11/15/18 11:52pm

How does all of this affect Byu? Does it make the other conferences want to

Bluegoogles

11/16/18 6:35am

that's a big .... NO....

Idahofallsblue

11/16/18 7:07am

Current situation bad. Shaking things up favors us.

CougarMandias

11/16/18 7:22am

I don't think any of this affects BYU at all. Like the first line of my post

Oranje

11/16/18 12:33pm

Arizona, Arizona State and Colorado have all talked with the Big 12

2FarGone

11/15/18 2:48pm

That would be fun to join them and go to the Big 12

BYU Fan

11/15/18 2:52pm

Or it would be fun if Utah up and did that. LOL.

Virginia Ute

11/15/18 2:56pm

I'd let Utah join the Big 12 and BYU could join the PAC 10

BYU Fan

11/15/18 2:59pm

I'd much rather be in the big 12, but would rather be in the Pac than any G5 conference

MaxxPower

11/15/18 5:55pm

Good one. 😹 Oh, that wasn't a joke?

Bluegoogles

11/15/18 5:22pm

what is the alternative? Super Conferences? New TV Deal?

Avery

11/15/18 2:48pm

P12 can get new management; B12 can't get 26 million more residents

Gustav

11/15/18 2:52pm

Now if only the P12 population actually cared about football.

Gentleman Stan

11/15/18 2:54pm

True — and that may matter more in the future

Gustav

11/15/18 2:56pm

Kansas City and Dallas are small?

2FarGone

11/15/18 2:59pm

TCU fandom is tiny

Gustav

11/15/18 3:07pm

I can say the same for most Pac 12 cities. Fandom is small. Fans don't care.

Oranje

11/15/18 3:12pm

SF, LA, Portland, Seattle = all left wing cities

AZ Coug

11/15/18 7:17pm

are you saying its a political conspiracy to reduce head injuries?

Da_full_Cosmo

11/16/18 12:01pm

Plenty of wussification that doesn't involve head injury risks

AZ Coug

11/16/18 3:22pm

politics have nothing to do with it though

Da_full_Cosmo

11/17/18 8:25am

All 18,000 of my Pullman neighbors care about football

AggieWeekendCougar

11/15/18 3:17pm

If population mattered that much Houston would be P5 along with a few other

Oranje

11/15/18 2:57pm

Population is the sole reason Rutgers and Maryland are in the Big 10

Gustav

11/15/18 2:59pm

Being in the Big 10 has done nothing to help Maryland or Rutgers.

Oranje

11/15/18 3:02pm

The Big 10 contract is different and better than any other. They have an

Thrill

11/15/18 3:05pm

I hope the networks refuse such an arrangement going forward

Twin Roots

11/15/18 3:23pm

They are, rumors are already out that Comcast is telling the Big10 to pound sand in the renegotiations

Kajdin

11/15/18 4:47pm

What if they got Denver, Phoenix, Tucson and Salt Lake City?

2FarGone

11/15/18 2:57pm

BYU is much bigger than SLC

RoyalPuma

11/15/18 3:25pm

A population that doesn’t care about football

YIsForBrigham

11/15/18 6:48pm

they care as much as the citizenriy of any city

RoyalPuma

11/16/18 11:48am

wouldn't they complain no matter where they were? They are bottom tier 4 sports

Iman23

11/15/18 2:57pm

I’m waiting for TrueTrue to weigh in on this discussion. That guy is the most trustworthy insider.

AD4

11/15/18 3:08pm

You'll be waiting a long time

2FarGone

11/15/18 3:09pm

He is so far inside it might be tough for him to get out

Tokolosh

11/15/18 3:11pm

You might say he's barred from posting.

Tokolosh

11/15/18 3:12pm

He wouldn't tell us anything anyways. Would be considered snitching now.

Idahofallsblue

11/15/18 3:13pm

RE: He wouldn't tell us anything anyways. Would be considered snitching now.

displacedute

11/15/18 3:15pm

RE: He wouldn't tell us anything anyways. Would be considered snitching now.

ebv

11/15/18 3:15pm

I'm excited to hear from him as well. His takes were criminal.

Twin Roots

11/15/18 3:16pm

When TrueTrue said, it, you could book it.

CougarMandias

11/15/18 4:05pm

Exposure is horrendous for the P12. Still blows my mind that a team like

ReggaeCoug

11/15/18 3:18pm

Why does it "blow your mind" that the team still in the running for the south

Bluegoogles

11/15/18 5:26pm

Dude, he meant that ESPN or another network would pick it up instead of

Let's Play Two

11/15/18 7:43pm

The Pac12 network chose Utah and Colorado. They passed on Utah and byu. dude

Bluegoogles

11/15/18 7:51pm

RE: The Pac12 network chose Utah and Colorado. They passed on Utah and byu. dude

Let's Play Two

11/15/18 8:40pm

He isn't very bright. I wouldn't waste your time using logic with him

Da_full_Cosmo

11/16/18 11:17am

Are you drunk?

ReggaeCoug

11/16/18 3:05pm

ASU is the frontrunner

Da_full_Cosmo

11/16/18 11:11am

They'll never leave a conference that is associated with Stanford, Cal, UCLA,

Bluedomination

11/15/18 3:43pm

Sorry you had a bad experience. I loved my time at ASU/Thunderbird...

footballjunkie

11/15/18 4:52pm

Anything he says I will immediately assume the opposite is true.

HuskerFan2

11/15/18 4:52pm

Good stuff. I'm guessing byu will use it to turn down the invitation to join

Bluegoogles

11/15/18 5:20pm

Troll

Napoli

11/15/18 5:32pm

Troll

Bluegoogles

11/15/18 7:52pm

The AZ and ASU presidents sleep just fine knowing that they're associated with

vagabonder

11/15/18 5:41pm

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