The attrition rates aren't really that interesting to the rankings

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Jan 29, 2019
10:38:03am

donnerstag All-American

unless you see a mass exodus after the first semester or year.

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People wonder why some of us don't like BYU the school, but like BYU sports.

ReggaeCoug

1/29/19 9:35am

Does Kalani have no pull or relationship at BYU?

MajorZeus

1/29/19 9:36am

Apparently not. It's pretty bad when a kid gets a Bachelor's

ReggaeCoug

1/29/19 9:37am

Do we know what school he got the bachelor's degree from? Or his grades at said

cougaman

1/29/19 9:40am

Bingo. I know BYU generally requires all grad students to have a 3.0 undergrad

colton

1/29/19 12:03pm

Undergrad at U. Weighted gpa of 0.73

RealityCheck

1/29/19 4:40pm

we don't know what graduate program to which he was trying to be admitted

Littlerich

1/29/19 9:42am

A lot of people go to college for seven years

letthewookiewin

1/29/19 9:44am

A lot of graduate programs reject people with bachelor's degrees...

WhiteKnight

1/29/19 10:05am

Sounds like someone in charge at admissions hates jocks.

BradioHead

1/29/19 10:09am

Admissions to graduate programs have more to do with funding and relationship

hydrocoug

1/29/19 10:39am

True, unless he is trying to get into a professional program like law or MBA.

Costanza

1/29/19 12:09pm

Kalani has a huge influence when it comes to undergrad acceptance. For

mudpupper

1/29/19 10:06am

I think it's a mistake to determine whether on not you like BYU the school based off of unsubstantiated tweets

jdub

1/29/19 9:38am

The problem is, we have no idea about the BYU side of the story. Getting a

cougaman

1/29/19 9:39am

If BYU is willing to let students in based on athletic ability

donnerstag

1/29/19 9:50am

Except he takes the spot of a qualified student if acceptance is limited in the

cougaman

1/29/19 9:55am

Easy fix: add a spot

donnerstag

1/29/19 9:58am

incorrect

cougarbob137

1/29/19 9:58am

Why don't you enlighten us on the extra costs of one extra student sitting

donnerstag

1/29/19 10:06am

There are simply per student costs associated with admittance and classes

cougarbob137

1/29/19 10:09am

That doesn't answer the question

donnerstag

1/29/19 10:12am

That's fine. You just don't understand basic enrollment and COB

cougarbob137

1/29/19 10:32am

You know the answer to the question, but won't concede

donnerstag

1/29/19 10:36am

cougarbob137

1/29/19 10:38am

I'm faculty and yes, I get paid even if I teach a small class. However, there

SWP

1/29/19 12:10pm

As noted earlier, there are exceptions

donnerstag

1/29/19 12:43pm

Actually, your case is the exception. What I described is pretty normal.

SWP

1/29/19 1:00pm

Maybe that's true of the sciences

donnerstag

1/29/19 2:05pm

You mean the accounting program which is among the most competive in the nation?

Emmett Fitz-Hume

1/29/19 2:10pm

Isn't that what most schools are required to do by law?

donnerstag

1/29/19 2:24pm

Aside from moving the goal posts on the argument just a wee bit,

Emmett Fitz-Hume

1/29/19 2:44pm

I get the mission of grad programs

donnerstag

1/29/19 2:54pm

At the graduate level research funding is important. Graduate programs have x

hydrocoug

1/29/19 10:47am

Many graduate programs don't have research

donnerstag

1/29/19 10:49am

It really just depends on the program. If it is a research graduate program,

Costanza

1/29/19 12:15pm

You seem to still be under the assumption that he could just join any program

WhiteKnight

1/29/19 10:16am

No. I didn't say that

donnerstag

1/29/19 10:20am

But still, that list is only useful if the student doesn't care.

WhiteKnight

1/29/19 10:23am

For many graduate transfers, they don't care what program it is

donnerstag

1/29/19 10:33am

BYU is a school at the end of the day, right?

SWP

1/29/19 12:12pm

Of course there is! Grad programs are different.

SWP

1/29/19 12:07pm

From that tweet we have no idea about either side of the story.

ochobeeguy

1/29/19 10:16am

Facts would be good.

PortlandBlue

1/29/19 9:40am

This

Hoax

1/29/19 9:45am

Dumb post.

itsuptoyou

1/29/19 9:46am

You have no idea who the player is, where he went to school or

itsuptoyou

1/29/19 9:51am

I'm pretty confident I know who it is.

ReggaeCoug

1/29/19 10:47am

Say it then.

itsuptoyou

1/29/19 11:54am

Do you also know their grades and qualifications for the graduate program they

SWP

1/29/19 12:13pm

The dude graduated from Rice and all reports are

ReggaeCoug

1/29/19 1:00pm

Oh please. I don't think you know how competitive many of the programs are.

SWP

1/29/19 1:04pm

You seem to be getting very offended that I don't care for BYU

ReggaeCoug

1/29/19 1:12pm

It’s weird how offended people get about the school..

SL12

1/29/19 1:26pm

Really? No one dreams of getting their MACC or MBA or JD from BYU?

itsuptoyou

1/29/19 2:13pm

Macc is the exception

SL12

1/29/19 4:44pm

Yeah. No way people shoot for a top 30 MBA that costs less than $10,000.

itsuptoyou

1/29/19 4:47pm

Lol considering im in my undergrad and I got in to BYU and chose Weber instead..

SL12

1/29/19 9:00pm

Hahahahahahahah. K buddy. Good luck with midterms.

itsuptoyou

1/29/19 9:15pm

Thanks I’m gunna need it

SL12

1/29/19 11:01pm

Well yeah

stoils

1/30/19 11:48am

RE: Well yeah

SL12

1/30/19 12:29pm

except literally me.

Dissenter

1/29/19 9:23pm

The defenders are fierce.

ReggaeCoug

1/29/19 2:47pm

You’re so enlightened. I wish I was more like you but alas. I’ll jusy continue

itsuptoyou

1/29/19 2:53pm

Actually, I'm more than happy to be critical of BYU when it's warranted.

SWP

1/29/19 5:24pm

I dunno about the situation, but I don’t know why some get so outraged either &

MatthiasG

1/29/19 5:34pm

As SWP stated above, "It is a school after all." The school isn't here to serve

Costanza

1/29/19 1:09pm

If I were you, I would find another school to cheer for.

Sea Chicken

1/29/19 9:46am

I've been a fan of BYU sports for 17 years and don't care too much

ReggaeCoug

1/29/19 10:48am

Having said that I think BYU is a good school and would be more than ok

ReggaeCoug

1/29/19 10:54am

sounds frustrating

Sea Chicken

1/29/19 10:59am

When, in the last 20 years, has BYU sports not been frustrating

ReggaeCoug

1/29/19 11:01am

12/21/18

Sea Chicken

1/29/19 12:09pm

You are very easily pleased.

ReggaeCoug

1/29/19 1:07pm

I am

Sea Chicken

1/29/19 7:42pm

might I recommend the patriots?

Dissenter

1/29/19 7:53pm

How many graduate programs anywhere take anyone with a degree?

dratax

1/29/19 9:51am

What's the worst case if they take someone under qualified?

donnerstag

1/29/19 9:54am

there are proposals of a transfer rule to be voted on in the spring that if

cwilke1

1/29/19 10:01am

You don't make decisions based on proposals

donnerstag

1/29/19 10:08am

Maybe not in athletics, but they do in politics

dratax

1/29/19 12:22pm

That depends on the graduate program he was applying to

WhiteKnight

1/29/19 10:07am

The default should be that the MPA program has plenty of spots

donnerstag

1/29/19 10:10am

Is that what he applied for? We don't know which program rejected him

WhiteKnight

1/29/19 10:13am

Programs want to take students that make their rankings go up.

ochobeeguy

1/29/19 10:20am

Programs use medians rather than averages

donnerstag

1/29/19 10:22am

unless they report the number of students who start a program and don't finish

WhiteKnight

1/29/19 10:24am

The attrition rates aren't really that interesting to the rankings

donnerstag

1/29/19 10:38am

Again, unless it is a program that accepts only a few students a year

WhiteKnight

1/29/19 10:13pm

Low scores pull medians down.

ochobeeguy

1/29/19 11:36am

Not really

donnerstag

1/29/19 12:47pm

Honor code enforcement philosophy is the only reason I dislike the "school"

fulano

1/29/19 9:51am

Wah wah

Preppy

1/29/19 10:12am

Many grad programs have requirements to enroll...

freeedomguy

1/29/19 10:13am

And most of BYU's grad programs are pretty small. Not a lot of wiggle room

mudpupper

1/29/19 10:15am

I think that's the hard part of BYU

ReggaeCoug

1/29/19 10:51am

Yeah, it can make sports more challenging. But, BYU is a university, not a

SWP

1/29/19 12:18pm

It can be both if some would let it.

ReggaeCoug

1/29/19 1:08pm

Objection: hearsay.

BlueTroop

1/29/19 10:35am

If this was the law or business school it doesn't bother me at all

CougaRR4L

1/29/19 11:08am

If you have a grad transfer that fills a football need

shakarocks

1/29/19 11:25am

No. First off the Deans over these types of programs

CougaRR4L

1/29/19 12:15pm

Do you want to have a good football program?

shakarocks

1/29/19 12:43pm

It's interesting you would bring up the MBA program as a good place for grad

Emmett Fitz-Hume

1/29/19 1:53pm

I don't care what her creds are

shakarocks

1/29/19 3:00pm

So if we automatically let a grad transfer or two every year

CougaRR4L

1/29/19 3:59pm

I understand the difference between undergrad and grad programs

StalwartBraveTrue

1/29/19 12:22pm

If the discussed recruit is anything less than a grade A, blue chip,

CougaRR4L

1/29/19 12:43pm

Do you honestly think the skids never get greased?

shakarocks

1/29/19 1:10pm

Well agree to disagree. I am all for opening up undergrad more

CougaRR4L

1/29/19 4:09pm

This story has said nothing about not qualifying.

ReggaeCoug

1/29/19 1:16pm

You must not be aware of the fact that outside

StalwartBraveTrue

1/29/19 10:16pm

A jock with a bachelors doesn't imply qualified for grad school anywhere.

CougarThug

1/29/19 1:10pm

Because you are overly sensitive

stoils

1/29/19 1:21pm

Really, that's all you have?

ReggaeCoug

1/29/19 2:48pm

You don't need to be clever when the truth will suffice

stoils

1/29/19 2:58pm

This is why I no longer give any money to BYU athletics. If the school doesn't

billypenn2380

1/29/19 3:24pm

Lots of ignorance on this thread and stupid

sfeuz

1/29/19 7:34pm

They are both

shakarocks

1/29/19 9:11pm

Education isn’t just for the academics and elite.

StalwartBraveTrue

1/29/19 10:19pm

BYU is a pretty good school. Not all BS degrees are impressive

Y4LYFE

1/29/19 5:00pm

You are assuming that the athlete will

Cougsanity

1/30/19 7:21am

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