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Mar 3, 2021
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Am I crazy to think Trevor Lawrence is much better than Zach Wilson?

stev

3/3/21 10:00am

byuwahoo

3/3/21 10:00am

Nope. Both are going to do really well in the NFL though.

squints

3/3/21 10:01am

Odds are much better that only one does.

johnnycarson

3/3/21 10:14am

But at this point you can't tell which one.

TailgateU

3/3/21 12:29pm

Maybe

Sea Chicken

3/3/21 10:15am

I concur. Not crazy.

Richard McCoy Jr.

3/3/21 10:01am

no, but don't discount Wilson just because folks didn't think he should be the

hxmCougar2000

3/3/21 10:01am

That's fair, but it's more about his gameplay than what people thought

stev

3/3/21 10:03am

Careful now, a lot of CB's happiness in life hinges on Wilson being good or not.

MrClark

3/3/21 10:14am

true. And did you see him in 2008? Plain awful.

hxmCougar2000

3/3/21 10:58am

No you aren't. But I don't think Zach was mediocre his freshman season. Last

crack

3/3/21 10:02am

To me, his mediocrity wasn't physical, it was mental. He made many

stev

3/3/21 10:03am

Lawrence also had the best supporting cast of any QB in CFB.

Samsonite

3/3/21 10:03am

Uhhh... Bama, Georgia, LSU and tOSU would all like a word

reddead

3/3/21 1:12pm

So you agree that he has had too 5 talent around him his entire career?

Samsonite

3/3/21 1:15pm

Absolutely - although he's often been on #3/4/5, playing #1/2/3

reddead

3/3/21 2:35pm

You make great points. I will add Lawrence's stats against blue bloods:

stev

3/3/21 4:31pm

An outstanding point. Lawrence performed well in Clemson's biggest games

reddead

3/3/21 5:52pm

totally agree

stev

3/4/21 9:47am

His floor is higher. His ceiling is lower

YIsForBrigham

3/3/21 10:03am

What makes you think his ceiling is higher?

stev

3/3/21 10:06am

No. The media puts this info out to make the draft more interesting.

SLC-Warrior

3/3/21 10:04am

This seems like a reasonable point.

stev

3/3/21 10:07am

Played against good competition with insane talent surrounding him.

ochobeeguy

3/3/21 10:06am

That's absolutely true, but would you rather have the guy who has played with

stev

3/3/21 10:08am

I think it would be a mistake to pick based on who they played against.

ochobeeguy

3/3/21 1:37pm

You didn't answer the question.

stev

3/3/21 4:32pm

^^^this^^^

cmoney

3/3/21 10:09am

Lawrence is the better prospect. I think he'll be the next Andrew Luck..

SLIVER

3/3/21 10:08am

Outside of 2 to 3 games a season, Lawrence has been facing competition that

Corn Pop

3/3/21 10:11am

That's true. Let's look at his stats against teams with equal talent

stev

3/3/21 10:21am

Trevor Lawrence is a Luck or Manning.

EtTuKalante

3/3/21 10:19am

QB is so difficult to project to the NFL... He looks like a sure bet, and I

Cougar TD

3/3/21 10:23am

True. And 50% of success in the NFL is just finding the right fit.

The Y's Insider

3/3/21 10:40am

Yep, and I really would hate to see Zach have the same thing happen. Hopefully

Cougar TD

3/3/21 11:02am

Not at all.

LyleLanley

3/3/21 10:29am

Yeah, a little crazy.... based on experts. Most think the gap isn't that wide.

Benfica1

3/3/21 10:34am

I'm gonna push you on this.

stev

3/3/21 10:52am

I'm just going by what experts say.... and they say the gap isn't that big.

Benfica1

3/3/21 12:38pm

That's what you said in the first part of your response. I'm challenging

stev

3/3/21 12:44pm

fair point, but then tell me what % of Trevor's numbers were directly

Cougarclaw

3/3/21 2:06pm

In the little bit I've seen of Lawrence, I don't see a noticeable gap

OldFogey

3/3/21 10:42am

Do you see it as insignificant that TL is playing with and against NFL talent

stev

3/3/21 10:53am

Let's start with my comment of 'little bit'. I haven't really seen that much of

OldFogey

3/3/21 11:10am

Here's the problem with the competition argument.

ldssdl

3/3/21 10:52am

I think you make fair points. But look at TL's stats against great talent

stev

3/3/21 10:55am

No. But I caution against using straight stats. This isn’t pole-vaulting.

StalwartBraveTrue

3/3/21 11:27am

RE: No. But I caution against using straight stats. This isn’t

Cougar TD

3/3/21 11:36am

We had no idea you were a pole vaulting statistician! And school counselors only

OldFogey

3/3/21 11:38am

Only as crazy as Chris Simms...

civilcoug

3/3/21 12:02pm

It's different when you have a supporting cast of future NFL players

Heath Squashwell

3/3/21 1:36pm

He's also playing against a bunch more NFL players than Wilson did

stev

3/3/21 4:35pm

I guess I’ll leave it to the NFL scouts to make the call!

Heath Squashwell

3/3/21 5:18pm

Lawrence just really looks the part. Such a big dude. To me that is his single

deljdc

3/3/21 1:38pm

His single advantage?

stev

3/3/21 4:38pm

I agree with factoring level of competition but disagree strongly about evaluating him on two previous years. Remember

CLCougar

3/3/21 1:43pm

That's a really good point.

stev

3/3/21 4:38pm

Lawrence is a physical specimen. However, in the 2 championship

sandiegocgrfan

3/3/21 2:32pm

I see what you're saying, but look at his stats against blue bloods (9 games):

stev

3/3/21 4:39pm

Lawrence has been a great college quarterback from Day 1. Guaranteed NFL Star?

sandiegocgrfan

3/3/21 5:10pm

Zach was a baller his freshman year. You don't have the right perspective IMO.

'69chevy

3/3/21 3:43pm

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