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Mar 3, 2021
12:02:48pm

civilcoug Contributor

Only as crazy as Chris Simms...

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Zach Wilson over Trevor Lawrence? Chris Simms says yes

When it comes to 2021 quarterback prospects, the biggest question for most analysts is, “Who’s No. 2?” For one analyst, the question of who’s No. 1 is more important. On Wednesday’s PFT Live, Chris Simms pulled the sheet from his 2021 quarterback draft rankings. He has in the top spot not Clemson’s Trevor Lawrence but [more]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/03/zach-wilson-over-trevor-lawrence-chris-simms-says-yes/[https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/03/zach-wilson-over-trevor-lawrence-chris-simms-says-yes/amp/]

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Am I crazy to think Trevor Lawrence is much better than Zach Wilson?

stev

3/3/21 10:00am

No

byuwahoo

3/3/21 10:00am

Nope. Both are going to do really well in the NFL though.

squints

3/3/21 10:01am

Odds are much better that only one does.

3/3/21 10:14am

But at this point you can't tell which one.

TailgateU

3/3/21 12:29pm

Maybe

Sea Chicken

3/3/21 10:15am

I concur. Not crazy.

Richard McCoy Jr.

3/3/21 10:01am

no, but don't discount Wilson just because folks didn't think he should be the

3/3/21 10:01am

That's fair, but it's more about his gameplay than what people thought

stev

3/3/21 10:03am

Careful now, a lot of CB's happiness in life hinges on Wilson being good or not.

MrClark

3/3/21 10:14am

true. And did you see him in 2008? Plain awful.

3/3/21 10:58am

No you aren't. But I don't think Zach was mediocre his freshman season. Last

crack

3/3/21 10:02am

To me, his mediocrity wasn't physical, it was mental. He made many

stev

3/3/21 10:03am

Lawrence also had the best supporting cast of any QB in CFB.

Samsonite

3/3/21 10:03am

Uhhh... Bama, Georgia, LSU and tOSU would all like a word

reddead

3/3/21 1:12pm

So you agree that he has had too 5 talent around him his entire career?

Samsonite

3/3/21 1:15pm

Absolutely - although he's often been on #3/4/5, playing #1/2/3

reddead

3/3/21 2:35pm

You make great points. I will add Lawrence's stats against blue bloods:

stev

3/3/21 4:31pm

An outstanding point. Lawrence performed well in Clemson's biggest games

reddead

3/3/21 5:52pm

totally agree

stev

3/4/21 9:47am

His floor is higher. His ceiling is lower

3/3/21 10:03am

What makes you think his ceiling is higher?

stev

3/3/21 10:06am

No. The media puts this info out to make the draft more interesting.

SLC-Warrior

3/3/21 10:04am

This seems like a reasonable point.

stev

3/3/21 10:07am

Played against good competition with insane talent surrounding him.

ochobeeguy

3/3/21 10:06am

That's absolutely true, but would you rather have the guy who has played with

stev

3/3/21 10:08am

I think it would be a mistake to pick based on who they played against.

ochobeeguy

3/3/21 1:37pm

You didn't answer the question.

stev

3/3/21 4:32pm

^^^this^^^

cmoney

3/3/21 10:09am

Lawrence is the better prospect. I think he'll be the next Andrew Luck..

SLIVER

3/3/21 10:08am

Outside of 2 to 3 games a season, Lawrence has been facing competition that

Corn Pop

3/3/21 10:11am

That's true. Let's look at his stats against teams with equal talent

stev

3/3/21 10:21am

Trevor Lawrence is a Luck or Manning.

EtTuKalante

3/3/21 10:19am

QB is so difficult to project to the NFL... He looks like a sure bet, and I

Cougar TD

3/3/21 10:23am

True. And 50% of success in the NFL is just finding the right fit.

The Y's Insider

3/3/21 10:40am

Yep, and I really would hate to see Zach have the same thing happen. Hopefully

Cougar TD

3/3/21 11:02am

Not at all.

LyleLanley

3/3/21 10:29am

Yeah, a little crazy.... based on experts. Most think the gap isn't that wide.

Benfica1

3/3/21 10:34am

I'm gonna push you on this.

stev

3/3/21 10:52am

I'm just going by what experts say.... and they say the gap isn't that big.

Benfica1

3/3/21 12:38pm

That's what you said in the first part of your response. I'm challenging

stev

3/3/21 12:44pm

fair point, but then tell me what % of Trevor's numbers were directly

Cougarclaw

3/3/21 2:06pm

In the little bit I've seen of Lawrence, I don't see a noticeable gap

OldFogey

3/3/21 10:42am

Do you see it as insignificant that TL is playing with and against NFL talent

stev

3/3/21 10:53am

Let's start with my comment of 'little bit'. I haven't really seen that much of

OldFogey

3/3/21 11:10am

Here's the problem with the competition argument.

ldssdl

3/3/21 10:52am

I think you make fair points. But look at TL's stats against great talent

stev

3/3/21 10:55am

No. But I caution against using straight stats. This isn’t pole-vaulting.

StalwartBraveTrue

3/3/21 11:27am

RE: No. But I caution against using straight stats. This isn’t

Cougar TD

3/3/21 11:36am

We had no idea you were a pole vaulting statistician! And school counselors only

OldFogey

3/3/21 11:38am

Only as crazy as Chris Simms...

civilcoug

3/3/21 12:02pm

It's different when you have a supporting cast of future NFL players

Heath Squashwell

3/3/21 1:36pm

He's also playing against a bunch more NFL players than Wilson did

stev

3/3/21 4:35pm

I guess I’ll leave it to the NFL scouts to make the call!

Heath Squashwell

3/3/21 5:18pm

Lawrence just really looks the part. Such a big dude. To me that is his single

deljdc

3/3/21 1:38pm

His single advantage?

stev

3/3/21 4:38pm

I agree with factoring level of competition but disagree strongly about evaluating him on two previous years. Remember

CLCougar

3/3/21 1:43pm

That's a really good point.

stev

3/3/21 4:38pm

Lawrence is a physical specimen. However, in the 2 championship

3/3/21 2:32pm

I see what you're saying, but look at his stats against blue bloods (9 games):

stev

3/3/21 4:39pm

Lawrence has been a great college quarterback from Day 1. Guaranteed NFL Star?

3/3/21 5:10pm

Zach was a baller his freshman year. You don't have the right perspective IMO.

'69chevy

3/3/21 3:43pm

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