Mike Smith was a defensive liability?

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May 10, 2022
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All Time Starting 5

Pack4

5/10/22 8:08am

No Cosic?

WJCougar

5/10/22 8:11am

Yoeli was a stud but isn’t close to Cosic.

CougGolf

5/10/22 8:15am

actually I'm not so sure.

Beetdiggercoug

5/10/22 4:43pm

I agree...and Cosic was a buddy of mine.

84 natlchamps

5/10/22 5:53pm

Right, Cosic belongs in this 5

WallaX2

5/10/22 8:20am

Probably "recency" bias. OP may not know who Cosic is. He played a long time ago

Hoopster

5/10/22 8:21am

I'm not old enough to have seen him play either...but I know who he is.

WJCougar

5/10/22 8:24am

Saturday nights listening to Cosic and the Cougars play on KSL as my dad and I

Hoopster

5/10/22 8:28am

Same with jimmer as goat... he's not, it's Danny ainge.

runnincoug

5/10/22 9:33am

He didn’t score like Jimmer. He might be the GOAT, but he didn’t score like Jimm

dixdog

5/10/22 10:12am

Ainge would have been the all time scoring leader if he had a 3 point line.

BYUCPA

5/10/22 10:56am

Plus great defense. Recent bias says jimmer

Acorn

5/10/22 2:48pm

Uh. Wrong. Danny Ainge. Scoring was better than Jimmers let alone other metrics.

CMAC38

5/10/22 11:51am

RE: Uh. Wrong. Danny Ainge. Scoring was better than Jimmers let alone other

Pack4

5/10/22 12:26pm

WOW. This 100% convinced me. I used to think it was debatable but it’s not. I

ColonelMustard

5/10/22 1:05pm

Ainge was a two-sport professional athlete. Extremely few players can claim this

(Private)

5/10/22 1:54pm

Ainge is no longer top 2 in career points, assists, or steals.

j20

5/10/22 2:42pm

Good point. However the comparison was between Jimmer and Ainge.

CMAC38

5/10/22 4:53pm

so Ainge > Jimmer because Ainge held a record for 30 yrs.. then Jimmer broke it?

Hill4Heisman

5/10/22 5:48pm

It took Jimmer 21 more games to get more points. Not to mention

CMAC38

5/10/22 8:05pm

Apparently you didn’t even read the post you’re replying to?

Coug-Ida

5/10/22 10:58pm

Ainge was surrounded by NBA talent. Fred Roberts, Greg Kite. I'll take Jimmer

hitechcpa

5/11/22 5:08pm

Good point...and I thought that the Jimmer was all world, but I think I will

84 natlchamps

5/11/22 5:49pm

RE: He didn’t score like Jimmer. He might be the GOAT, but he didn’t

BYUgeezer

5/10/22 2:10pm

Congdon and Nemelka were fantastic players.

Oldcougfan

5/10/22 3:55pm

Heck, what about Bernie Fryer? He had a long NBA career.:) Or Dick Nemelka

basman

5/10/22 8:23am

Cosic is definitely Top 5 in BYU history.

WJCougar

5/10/22 8:24am

But Bernie did have a long NBA history, as an official.:) He was director of

basman

5/10/22 8:50am

Love Bernie. Love Nemelka

WallaX2

5/10/22 9:00am

Yea, I saw plenty of pictures of Bernie Fryer at the high school in Port

84 natlchamps

5/11/22 5:58pm

RE: No Cosic?

Pack4

5/10/22 8:58am

I would put Cosic above Bradley.

mncstr

5/10/22 9:29am

Or Durant, Roberts

diabloguero

5/10/22 10:27am

Davies instead of Bradley

(Private)

5/10/22 8:20am

Bradley was a force in college. Maybe not so much in the NBA, but he was the

BYUMizzou

5/10/22 8:28am

Maybe but does one year at BYU qualify you for the all-time starting 5?

ManicBlue

5/10/22 9:54am

Bradley is the only BYU player that’s been one and done. That should tell you Bradley belongs on the starting 5.

SierraCoug

5/10/22 10:01am

Yeah ... no

ManicBlue

5/10/22 10:02am

Depends on what your criteria for "all time starting 5" is. The best individual

BYUMizzou

5/10/22 10:02am

Nope ... you'd better read up on Cosic first.

ManicBlue

5/10/22 10:29am

I think he is including Cosic at the 4. I would

ColonelMustard

5/10/22 1:07pm

Where did he include him?

ManicBlue

5/10/22 1:13pm

Yoeli? Lol.

Idacoug

5/10/22 8:21am

Big miss here IMHO

creameryon9th

5/10/22 8:25am

Fred Robert’s at PF

Nat Gas Man

5/10/22 8:52am

Devin Durrant? Do you even know your own teams history?

Utefaninenemyland

5/10/22 9:01am

Trouble is guys who start these treads are too young to have seen

Oldcougfan

5/10/22 10:16am

I would agree to an extent, but Cosic was before my time as was Billy the Hill.

Utefaninenemyland

5/10/22 11:01am

My dad was at the U during those years (He is a BYU fan but a Utah Man)

Leishdoggydog

5/10/22 3:11pm

Cosic, Davies, Araujo, Hutchins, Roberts, Kite, Durrant and so many others.

Mabuhay Coug

5/10/22 9:46am

Ainge, Jimmer, and Cosic are No Brainers...

lbmango

5/10/22 11:47am

Jimmer was one dimensional. There are at least 8 guys here with better all

Utefaninenemyland

5/10/22 4:28pm

Yet Jimmer absolutely single handed my destroyed the Utes

Big Daddy D

5/11/22 1:12pm

Yes he destroyed one of the worst Utah teams ever. Ainge put up 35 against a

Utefaninenemyland

5/11/22 1:24pm

"Shawn Bradley at the 5 he can stretch the floor"?

icecougar

5/10/22 12:26pm

RE: "Shawn Bradley at the 5 he can stretch the floor"?

Pack4

5/10/22 12:29pm

I like Fred Roberts as my PF.

Rocketman

5/10/22 12:47pm

Of those 5, Ainge would serve as the best PG.

SinkingQuffa

5/10/22 1:38pm

This brings me to a point of contention.

(Private)

5/10/22 1:57pm

Ainge Toolson - guards

CCookie

5/10/22 2:04pm

Ainge. Toolson. Robert’s Smith. Bradley

CCookie

5/10/22 2:06pm

Andy Toolson

CCookie

5/10/22 2:07pm

To make an all-time Top 5, you CAN NOT be a one-way player

BYUDM93

5/10/22 3:06pm

Mike Smith was a defensive liability?

(Private)

5/10/22 3:51pm

Absolutely. He got by in college. Completely exposed in the NBA.

BYUDM93

5/10/22 7:55pm

Jimmer won every major award, it doesn’t matter how bad his defense was, he’s in

robin

5/10/22 4:30pm

OK-2nd five. Then the 1st five plays the 2nd five and Ainge shuts him down hard.

BYUDM93

5/10/22 8:04pm

Nice try but maybe you should say recent best 5- otherwise waaaay off

Bill

5/10/22 5:21pm

Mel Hutchins? Rolan Minson?

arizonacougarfan

5/10/22 6:01pm

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