Reality check time - 1 EV battery requires 500,000 tons of earth

Sep 16, 2022
10:18:17pm

SwanSong All-American

Wind turbines and solar are equally environmentally negative over petroleum

Green Energy Reality Check: It's Not as Clean as You Think | Manhattan Institute

Policymakers have made a "green" energy shift a priority in economic recovery, but these visions ignore the dirty process of switching to "green" energy.

https://www.manhattan-institute.org/mines-minerals-and-green-energy-reality-check

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SwanSong

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POLL: When will you buy an EV?

Odysseus Truly Addicted User

9/16/22 8:34pm

When they pry the spark plugs from my cold, dead hands.

LeftOfNormal

9/16/22 8:36pm

I’ve had one since July 1st. It’s like upgrading from a Motorola razr to an iphone

Slim

9/16/22 8:36pm

Eww. Why on earth would I want an iPhone???

LeftOfNormal

9/16/22 8:37pm

How did you afford it?

TNT

9/16/22 8:39pm

PSLF

Slim

9/16/22 8:41pm

Post sales land fragment?

TNT

9/16/22 8:41pm

Congrats! I’m just 4 years behind you!

BeardofBrigham

9/16/22 8:42pm

RE: I’ve had one since July 1st. It’s like upgrading from a Motorola

mtnKat

9/16/22 8:41pm

Went about 300 miles the other day and it was great. I don’t typically take road trips

Slim

9/16/22 8:41pm

...I kinda want to devolve back to a Moto Razr, tbh

Hotlanta

9/16/22 8:43pm

With little children a minivan makes the most sense in my life RN but not much availability in EV

greatbam

9/16/22 8:41pm

When the range goes above 600 miles

gilbertatty

9/16/22 8:46pm

Max range for ICE is around 460. But that range is more consistent.

Yiowa

9/16/22 9:14pm

Because I have to drive back and forth to ID and I can fill my tank in 5 mins

gilbertatty

9/16/22 9:16pm

If they can develop more efficient, lighter batteries, I'd assume the long range

Yiowa

9/16/22 9:18pm

Idaho? As a thought experiment I looked up a trip from my home in Utah county to Rexburg. I can make it there without

Slim

9/16/22 9:33pm

Honest question—can you count on no wait time for your turn

BYU-Dukie

9/16/22 9:50pm

I’ve only used one of those charging stations once but I was the only one there

Slim

9/16/22 9:53pm

It takes 11 to go from 10% to 80% in a kia. Yake a pre while its chargin it will

CarolinaCoug

9/16/22 9:47pm

My next car will be an EV. I doubt it will be soon.

vagabonder

9/16/22 8:48pm

You won’t regret it

Slim

9/16/22 8:50pm

My biggest problem is I travel long distance a few times a year

Huge Manatee

9/16/22 8:56pm

The batteries last as long or longer than most gas engines. I don’t think EVs are right for people who take frequent

Slim

9/16/22 8:59pm

That's good to know

Huge Manatee

9/16/22 9:01pm

That’s like comparing it to engine replacement. Sure it can happen but it just isn’t very likely.

Slim

9/16/22 9:02pm

Maybe when it's time to get my next car they'll have

Huge Manatee

9/16/22 9:05pm

I’ve had a PHEV for the past year and it’s been perfect

SlyCoug

9/16/22 8:50pm

When they prove they don’t need to burn fossil fuels to power the EVs.

kmcougar

9/16/22 8:56pm

Why is that your hang up? I bought an EV for reasons having NOTHING to do with the environment. They are just way better

Slim

9/16/22 9:01pm

"the cost of ownership is better"

MarylandFan

9/16/22 9:05pm

Sorry. What I meant was maintenance costs are lower

Slim

9/16/22 9:09pm

Ah.

MarylandFan

9/16/22 9:11pm

You realize how ineffecient a ICE is right? This is a very dumb talking point.

shamc

9/16/22 9:17pm

Do you know your electric utility's fuel mix?

MarylandFan

9/16/22 9:48pm

Yes..Sun. next question?

CarolinaCoug

9/16/22 9:50pm

So your electric utility only provides power during daylight hours. Interesting.

Les IsMore

9/16/22 9:55pm

I don't, but I trust a power plant to be more efficient than my 94' Toyota's

shamc

9/16/22 9:54pm

Utilities typically publish their fuel mix and CO2 per MWh.

MarylandFan

9/16/22 9:57pm

I am not sure what you're talking about bro, I am talking about the heat waste

shamc

9/16/22 10:02pm

I was following the discussion based off this post

MarylandFan

9/16/22 10:09pm

Yes... and ineffeciency means more fuel. KMcougar was obviously being TIC and

shamc

9/16/22 10:21pm

So that post I cited stated that fossil fuels are burned for EVs

MarylandFan

9/17/22 9:15am

Well i am not really into 'renewable' energy. If you are, more power to you.

shamc

9/17/22 11:51am

EV battery uses 500k of earth (5 lbs per mile) ICE .2 lbs petrol/mile

SwanSong

9/16/22 10:25pm

How do you consume earth

Slim

9/16/22 10:27pm

Exactly. This whole partisan take on EVs doesn't work when the other side are

shamc

9/16/22 10:29pm

They poop it off the side of the earth, obviously

Yiowa

9/16/22 11:47pm

Well

CarolinaCoug

9/16/22 9:49pm

And ravage tons of earth to get enough for just 1 EV battery

SwanSong

9/16/22 9:54pm

Totally agree, I think jet engines are gaudy and wasteful too, long live the ICE

shamc

9/16/22 10:00pm

Reality check time - 1 EV battery requires 500,000 tons of earth

SwanSong

9/16/22 10:18pm

Reality check time — Jet engines emit 2% of global greenhouse gases. Time to

shamc

9/16/22 10:23pm

There are plenty of good points in this article. I am 100% pro nuclear and very

shamc

9/16/22 10:39pm

I am now working from home 4 of 5 days a week and don't drive much

RenoCoug

9/16/22 8:58pm

Whenever there is near parity with gas refueling

MarylandFan

9/16/22 9:06pm

They shouldn’t be looked at the same way in my opinion. If you have a gas station (charger) in your garage then it’s way

Slim

9/16/22 9:11pm

They definitely work for certain lifestyles, but not for others.

MarylandFan

9/16/22 9:15pm

After owning one for a few months I would say they are much more than marginally better . My EV surpasses any other

Slim

9/16/22 9:17pm

And yet, still a box on 4 wheels with 2 pedals

MarylandFan

9/16/22 9:44pm

I only use 1 pedal. It’s that different, for starters 🤷🏼‍♂️

Slim

9/16/22 9:45pm

RE: I only use 1 pedal. It’s that different, for starters

shamc

9/16/22 9:47pm

That's so revolutionary. Can hardly call it a car.

MarylandFan

9/16/22 9:59pm

RE: That's so revolutionary. Can hardly call it a car.

Slim

9/16/22 10:10pm

When Chevy makes an EV Suburban.

(Private)

9/16/22 9:11pm

When it becomes economically and practically viable. Haven't reached that point yet.

John Doe

9/16/22 9:12pm

When recharging stations are as plentiful as gas stations and you can recharge

Skeptical Optimist

9/16/22 9:37pm

Plug in hybrid for me.

AggieWeekendCougar

9/16/22 9:47pm

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