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Jul 7, 2015
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Mister P
How about nobody punches anybody?
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So I saw the video of the freshman FSU QB fight with the girl at the bar.
Mister P
7/7/15 10:08am
So how often do you beat your wife?
Sid Vicious
7/7/15 10:09am
What part of my analysis did you find factually inaccurate?
Mister P
7/7/15 10:10am
The presumption that it is ever ok for a man to punch a woman in the face
Sid Vicious
7/7/15 10:14am
Which law is that? As far as I know, it is illegal to hit a person. Both should
Mister P
7/7/15 10:15am
To say her arm was cocked to punch is a bit of a stretch. Elbow tucked at her
Sid Vicious
7/7/15 10:20am
Read her lips. She threatened to hit him and raised a fist. It doesn't matter
Mister P
7/7/15 10:23am
hmm.. he certainly shouldn't have punched her but she was definitely not in
jota
7/7/15 10:23am
what? outline the case for her being the aggressor here. She is clearly
Bob Vance
7/7/15 10:27am
raising a fist, threatening to punch, then following through with the first
jota
7/7/15 10:29am
Grabbing her arm and twisting = initiating contact
Sid Vicious
7/7/15 10:30am
yes, both are at fault. Meaning the fault is shared.. how is this concept hard
jota
7/7/15 10:33am
Exactly. I think a lot of guys here are trying to find the ONE person at fault.
Mister P
7/7/15 10:37am
I've explained why twice and you keep ignoring the posts.
bluebloodedcoug
7/7/15 10:40am
"While it is likely she committed some crime" Those are your words.
Mister P
7/7/15 10:43am
And? You're up in arms that she wasn't charged. I explained why.
bluebloodedcoug
7/7/15 10:50am
It is wrong that both weren't charged, as both committed crimes.
Mister P
7/7/15 10:53am
So you're doubling down on the nanny state?
bluebloodedcoug
7/7/15 10:56am
Not at all. They could choose not to charge either.
Mister P
7/7/15 11:03am
she showed aggression and threw the first punch
Ft Worth Cougar
7/7/15 10:18am
not exactly. She was getting pushed by the guy and I think she was standing
Bob Vance
7/7/15 10:20am
He initiated contact by grabbing her wrist and twisting
Sid Vicious
7/7/15 10:21am
yeah, after pushing into her as well. I'm amazed by the comments that
Bob Vance
7/7/15 10:25am
significant difference between "AN" and "THE"
jota
7/7/15 10:34am
Agreed 100%. When you don't charge the woman in a case like this you encourage
Mister P
7/7/15 10:21am
It is a bit of a double standard that she was not also charged.
Turnpike Lane
7/7/15 10:10am
she should have been charged. he's a monster though. just terrible.
riboflavin
7/7/15 10:16am
Exactly, you never hit a woman.
-C9-
7/7/15 10:24am
you dont punch a woman back
Cougarealist
7/7/15 10:12am
How about nobody punches anybody?
Mister P
7/7/15 10:12am
While I agree with you completely, it creates a double standard with all of this
RdF3
7/7/15 10:13am
IMO a woman who takes it to that level deserves what she gets ...
ManicBlue
7/7/15 10:15am
Deserves what she gets? Wow. Just, wow.
John Doe
7/7/15 10:17am
your consequence for being stupid is a bunch of thumbs down
Cougarealist
7/7/15 10:18am
You are a bad person
Sid Vicious
7/7/15 10:24am
I'm not saying that's what I'd do but I have no sympathy for her either.
ManicBlue
7/7/15 10:30am
Hyperbole does not change he fact that you are a bad person
Sid Vicious
7/7/15 10:33am
Like you have any idea
ManicBlue
7/7/15 10:34am
Nominated for worst post of the day
bluebloodedcoug
7/7/15 10:33am
True, but she should have been charged with assault as well.
CougDogg-e-Dogg
7/7/15 10:20am
What if the woman is Ms. Jenner?
Busiturtle
7/7/15 10:21am
Or Hope Solo? I bet she could take out a bunch of CBers
Busiturtle
7/7/15 10:35am
Your argument is that two wrongs make a right? I thought this logical flaw was
bluebloodedcoug
7/7/15 10:15am
No, my argument is that she should be facing charges as well. You disagree?
Mister P
7/7/15 10:16am
IDK. While it is likely she committed some crime, I think most agree that a
bluebloodedcoug
7/7/15 10:22am
And if her arm was cocked to hit him, she is doing it very wrong
Sid Vicious
7/7/15 10:16am
So its ok to take a swing at someone if you suck at it?
Mister P
7/7/15 10:17am
He initiated contact, not her.
Sid Vicious
7/7/15 10:21am
Looks like you didnt watch the video
concolor couguar
7/7/15 10:26am
You are wrong. Feel free to watch it yourself.
Sid Vicious
7/7/15 10:29am
He is trying to squeeze into the bar and she puts her forearm into his chest and
concolor couguar
7/7/15 10:33am
Yes, by pinning her into the bar
zuxvon
7/7/15 10:45am
She pushed him with her forearm and she hit first
concolor couguar
7/7/15 10:47am
If I'm not mistaken, she also raised her right leg and kicked him in the groin
ManicBlue
7/7/15 10:51am
Good luck! Can the state really prove that beyond a reasonable doubt?
zuxvon
7/7/15 10:58am
Isn't that the requirement for murder?
Mister P
7/7/15 11:03am
BARD is the standard for any criminal prosecution.
benny1982
7/7/15 11:11am
as an athlete that specializes in a contact sport, you could argue he had the
Cougarclaw
7/7/15 10:16am
You could also argue she took the first swing and he defended himself.
Mister P
7/7/15 10:18am
I don't think you can argue that at all. C'mon. She presented no threat to him
runnincoug
7/7/15 10:23am
No threat in what way? She could have absolutely given him bruises
kimdaddy35
7/7/15 11:01am
Watch that video again and rethink your statement. Really?
runnincoug
7/7/15 11:10am
If she couldn't reach him how did she make contact with his face?
kimdaddy35
7/7/15 11:19am
Not to mention the kick to the groin area prior to her punch
ManicBlue
7/7/15 11:28am
Watching it again ... yes she can reach him. No she wasn't a threat.
runnincoug
7/7/15 11:30am
Are you serious? You think that football players are naturally better
kimdaddy35
7/7/15 10:59am
no
Cougarclaw
7/7/15 11:21am
Did he punch her, or did he slap her? This makes a little difference in my mind.
Y2k
7/7/15 10:17am
Hard to tell if it was a closed fist or not but he gave her a bloody nose
SanDiegoCoug
7/7/15 10:32am
I would have no problem if she also got charged.
mpfunk
7/7/15 10:24am
Absolutely he should be. As should she. Nobody is allowed to hit anybody
Mister P
7/7/15 10:26am
No mercy! No discretion by officers or prosecutors! One step out of line and
bluebloodedcoug
7/7/15 10:28am
This is the problem with Mister P.'s approach---you need to have room for human
runnincoug
7/7/15 10:57am
Exactly. Arrests, enforcement, and charges should be circumstance specific.
bluebloodedcoug
7/7/15 11:01am
What if her punch caught him in the eye with her fingernail? He might lose that
Mister P
7/7/15 11:06am
So she should be charged based on what could have but didn't happen?
bluebloodedcoug
7/7/15 11:10am
Barkley injured KJ by hugging him too hard. Should we assume every hug has the
runnincoug
7/7/15 11:15am
His charge was a misdemeanor due to the circumstances
zuxvon
7/7/15 10:51am
The guy is screwed because he is a guy
Remigius
7/7/15 10:56am
Agree, the irony is that it would not have led to charges
zuxvon
7/7/15 11:04am
I don't feel bad for either person in this case
Remigius
7/7/15 11:25am
There has GOT to be a category for this discussion that I have ignored. I hope.
fulano
7/7/15 10:36am
If we switch the roles of the sexes in this scenario
Remigius
7/7/15 10:48am
Dont hit a women. Simple as that, and yes my Dad would beat me if I did even
BlueDragon
7/7/15 10:53am
The bigger issue is that he made his team and University look bad.
Y2k
7/7/15 10:57am
There is something to this
Remigius
7/7/15 11:00am
Why does either option have to be mutually exclusive? Both actions...
truecoug1
7/7/15 11:17am
RE: So I saw the video of the freshman FSU QB fight with the girl at the bar.
Cnation
7/7/15 11:12am
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