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Jul 16, 2017
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CSoul
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Are you in sales? We've gone completely away from bonus programs
Except for in sales. No regrets from anyone. Bonuses only hurt the company outside of sales imo.
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I mentioned in the linked post that I am considering leaving my company for another offer.
Texas Hammer
All-American
7/16/17 8:44pm
Yes I'd be worried. Every offer I had included the target bonus % with a
WDaddy
7/16/17 8:46pm
Exactly. I get why they won't provide a target.
Texas Hammer
7/16/17 8:49pm
Yup, I was given a written percentage range of
JOPE
7/16/17 9:38pm
What I've learned, sadly, is that if it's not in writing, it means nothing.
The Underminer
7/16/17 8:46pm
I get that a bonus is discretionary, and I always treat my bonus as such, meaning I live on just my base, but I always
Texas Hammer
7/16/17 8:50pm
Yes, you are out in left field. Instead of wanting it in writing ask to talk to
Pick-Six Coug
7/16/17 8:51pm
I've done the homework, and been in the industry long enough to know that a target is expected. I'm not out in left
Texas Hammer
7/16/17 8:53pm
I am sorry, I didn't realize your question was rhetorical. No offense intended,
Pick-Six Coug
7/16/17 9:01pm
Sorry. I did appreciate your comments. I don't think I'm out in left field asking for something to be included in the
Texas Hammer
7/16/17 9:15pm
asking for a non-binding bonus range to be put in writing isn't just out in left field - it's silly.
HarlemCoug
7/16/17 10:25pm
There you are. Was waiting for your contribution.
Texas Hammer
7/16/17 10:31pm
it's non-binding. please explain why it matters more than finding out historical trends.
HarlemCoug
7/16/17 10:32pm
Because if you over perform and the company overperforms then you know to at
jcase16byu
7/16/17 11:37pm
again though, why wouldn't you expect it under the verbal offer?
Cougarpolis
7/16/17 11:42pm
Your whole employment isn't binding; so why even ask for base salary in writing.
TeeKaa
7/17/17 8:11am
Pretty sure the salary is binding.... and that you can see the difference.
Cougarpolis
7/19/17 6:52am
Your employment is "at will" - you have a set salary but can be fired anytime.
TeeKaa
7/19/17 7:28am
If it is not in writing it means nothing. As noted above. But...
RalphWiggam
7/16/17 8:51pm
What it gives me is something to compare to what I have now. I have a base a bonus target now, and I always know what my
Texas Hammer
7/16/17 8:58pm
The company has all the leverage anyway
wapiti
7/16/17 9:01pm
But you said they verbalized the range or the target.
RalphWiggam
7/16/17 9:03pm
Agreed. I don't work in corporate America (thank goodness) and I don't yet
Cougarpolis
7/16/17 10:08pm
I'd be uneasy with it. It would seem to me tjaf
conetah
7/16/17 8:52pm
Is that you, Donald?
AndyDwyer
7/16/17 8:54pm
Not in writing its covfefe
Turnpike Lane
7/16/17 8:59pm
It would be very low on my list of concerns in choosing an employer
wapiti
7/16/17 9:00pm
It's not high on my list, but is something to compare against my current situation.
Texas Hammer
7/16/17 9:03pm
Are you in sales? We've gone completely away from bonus programs
CSoul
7/16/17 9:01pm
Have they why not put it in writing?
tippmancoug
7/16/17 9:05pm
Only explanation is that they done do that.
Texas Hammer
7/16/17 9:09pm
Lower base and non-committal bonus. Sounds like a bad move.
wapiti
7/16/17 9:52pm
If bonus is the reason to go there, I see the issue.
Quacker
7/16/17 10:31pm
Not sure how it's a red flag. Is the assumption that the non binding target is
Cougarpolis
7/16/17 10:37pm
It isn't binding, but it's evidence of the parties' mutual expectations.
Quacker
7/17/17 6:00pm
Fair enough. Certainly a factor. Doesn't sound like a big one to me. But
Cougarpolis
7/19/17 6:57am
That's a red flag to me. It just screams shady and would make me distrust
NottherealJWill
7/16/17 9:07pm
I'd be worried about a company that's selling you on an offer w/ a bonus & won't
Hang10
7/16/17 9:07pm
not necessarily a red flag, could simply mean their HR and legal departments are
Cougarclaw
7/16/17 9:13pm
Find out from others to work for them how often the bonuses normally come throug
Incentivize
7/16/17 9:20pm
This is good advice. Was going to say same thing.
Quacker
7/16/17 10:32pm
It should be included in the letter. A big red flag is waving at you.
TeeKaa
7/16/17 10:14pm
Why would I include it? I'd never include it in an offer letter. The only thing it gets me is a lawsuit later.
HarlemCoug
7/16/17 10:36pm
It's very common to include it. Why else would I request it? Everyone knows it's discretionary, but including it
Texas Hammer
7/17/17 5:44am
It sets out their company expectations to you & your total compensation.
TeeKaa
7/17/17 8:00am
It is possible that legal is to blame. Wouldn't necessarily turn down something
Quacker
7/16/17 10:29pm
As we learned with all the weeping and wailing re: Gordon Hayward, you should just stay where you are. Be loyal to them
macaroni
7/17/17 6:51am
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