in an enviornment where being responsible, being held to a high standard, wanting to grow intellectually, mentally and spiritually are taught and expected? Yeah...horrible also if someone actually finds someone who they want to marry. When I applied to the Y in the 90's, the academic advisor at the Y told me that they had to turn down 11,000 applications just that 1 semester. The average Y graduate makes more money than the average college graduate as well. I'm sure nobody takes into consideration either..it's ALL about getting married.