and I know for a fact the coaches stressed those fundamentals in practices

Dec 17, 2014
12:56:58pm

ManicBlue

so what does that leave us with ? Players not doing what they've been taught by many coaches. Hopefully, they'll learn from their mistakes.

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criddle just said D problems were more personnel driven than Howell'splaycalling

Undefeated

12/17/14 12:33pm

Totally agree

Ebolarama

12/17/14 12:33pm

It's not just the play calling that was the problem...

Smoke Monster

12/17/14 12:34pm

Game prep, teaching fundamentals, developing players...

SandYFan

12/17/14 12:36pm

You realize we have the same exact D coaches this year as last year

Freddie Cougar

12/17/14 12:51pm

There was one big difference this year, and that's Bronco. Until this year,

CalGTR

12/17/14 1:36pm

But the position coaches are in charge of fundamentals

Freddie Cougar

12/17/14 1:45pm

Bronco plays a big role in motivation and accountability. It makes a big

CalGTR

12/17/14 2:28pm

Bronco's style creates chemistry and unity that Howell can't replicate

jonnnylingo

12/17/14 4:12pm

But we're not talking about that, we're talking teaching fundamentals.

Freddie Cougar

12/18/14 6:22am

Defense against Utah State and Boise State was embarrassing

Mathlete

12/17/14 12:37pm

Link?

BluePete

12/17/14 12:38pm

RE: Link?

Funke

12/17/14 12:41pm

Talentless D Line, extremely young LB'ers, A secondary that couldn't hold up

Ebolarama

12/17/14 12:38pm

Thing is, Bronco recruited for and built that defense. So he is also responsible

Mathlete

12/17/14 12:40pm

I can't argue that. I'm just agreeing that Howell didnt have a ton to work with.

Ebolarama

12/17/14 12:44pm

You think it's an easy thing to produce top 25 defenses yearly ?

ManicBlue

12/17/14 12:46pm

Injuries didn't play a part? There are articles now pointing out

Cougarpride

12/17/14 1:47pm

With all its negativity and ill will

vaquero

12/17/14 5:46pm

So explain the offensive being successful?

Smoke Monster

12/18/14 8:01am

Wow, it took all of one minute for you to jump on a perceived opportunity to

basman

12/17/14 1:59pm

When you choose the wrong players to develop and play

kotacoug

12/17/14 12:38pm

Did Bronco suddenly forget how to coach? Did the game pass him by?

BluePete

12/17/14 12:43pm

did not realize Bronco was the def co ordinator.....but if so

kotacoug

12/17/14 1:04pm

Who were all these "wrong" players?

Freddie Cougar

12/17/14 12:51pm

How many other Kai Nacuas are riding pine

kotacoug

12/17/14 5:55pm

Nacua didn't play because he didn't show in practice that he was ready

Freddie Cougar

12/18/14 6:21am

Do you have some examples?

LDTemplar

12/17/14 10:49pm

Both.

Grit for Brains

12/17/14 12:39pm

In what way? A lack in talent, knowledge, discipline, maturity, or any or all

cougarick

12/17/14 12:39pm

Personnel=talent

Crush4

12/17/14 12:46pm

The D problems were execution driven.

newey-west

12/17/14 12:40pm

They were taught, they didnt do. Big difference.

Ebolarama

12/17/14 12:44pm

Exactly, some act like BYU is the first time these players have played football

ManicBlue

12/17/14 12:53pm

No, but it is the case that players get lazy and forget proper fundamentals.

newey-west

12/17/14 12:54pm

and I know for a fact the coaches stressed those fundamentals in practices

ManicBlue

12/17/14 12:56pm

I don't disagree. However, you can't discount the fact that HOW you teach

newey-west

12/17/14 1:00pm

Sure but are you saying BYU's defensive coaches weren't teaching them correctly?

ManicBlue

12/17/14 1:21pm

It's funny to be on this side of the argument, because normally I'm supporting

newey-west

12/17/14 2:02pm

RE: It's funny to be on this side of the argument, because normally I'm

ManicBlue

12/17/14 2:06pm

I think its more the players not executing would have been sat but BYU doesn't

Ebolarama

12/17/14 12:59pm

signed- Nacua.

southernfriedcougar

12/17/14 2:29pm

1 player. Sweet.

Ebolarama

12/18/14 9:45am

fundamentals break down when you're out of position

Deadpool

12/17/14 1:33pm

As if you know?

southernfriedcougar

12/17/14 12:54pm

Our current players disagree with that.

CougDogg-e-Dogg

12/17/14 3:27pm

So last season this coaching staff taught them, but this season it didn't?

Freddie Cougar

12/17/14 12:53pm

Link

newey-west

12/17/14 12:54pm

True. And that's bad news. Play calling is easier to grow into than knowing

Shimmy

12/17/14 12:43pm

play calling wasn't his huge problem.

southernfriedcougar

12/17/14 12:53pm

Yup, indicated they called the same calls the year prior and before, just didn't

ocmyhome

12/17/14 12:57pm

Well, Bronco keeping Howell on staff will create all sorts of personnel problems

TheDeek

12/17/14 12:57pm

What proof of this do you have. One major "D" player loves Howell

Cougarpride

12/17/14 1:50pm

Except that Leavitt WAS playing.

ChubbyChaser

12/17/14 1:53pm

You may consider the other reasons for Leavitt's departure

Cougarpride

12/17/14 3:01pm

RE: You may consider the other reasons for Leavitt's departure

Cougarpride

12/17/14 3:02pm

One major "D" player is also Howell's brother-in-law....

TheDeek

12/17/14 2:08pm

He also happened to be one of our most consistent DB's this season

Jericho

12/17/14 2:11pm

Not to mention Povey was our leading tackler this season

ManicBlue

12/17/14 2:35pm

yes and how often a receiver caught the ball and povey was the closest player

kotacoug

12/17/14 3:06pm

at least he made the tackle which is more than you can say about others

ManicBlue

12/17/14 3:20pm

In 3x the playing time....I'm guessing he played the most snaps on

kotacoug

12/17/14 5:45pm

You're guessing ?? Maybe you could find out before commenting ?

ManicBlue

12/17/14 6:48pm

Exactly. PoVey was better this year at safety compared to last year at cb, but

CougDogg-e-Dogg

12/17/14 7:08pm

Shows you how much the D has suffered under Howell's regime

TheDeek

12/17/14 5:14pm

Who was better than the other players at his position. Weird how he got time huh

Ebolarama

12/17/14 2:29pm

Truth to it, but that is a simplistic explanation.

lawboy

12/17/14 1:04pm

That's not even a question

Jericho

12/17/14 1:25pm

How about maybe teaching the players responsibility, showing them film etc?

slowhiteguy

12/17/14 1:50pm

I know. I can't believe we quit watching film this year. That was a big mistake.

Undefeated

12/17/14 2:39pm

Whoa--they seriously stopped watching film? When did this come out?

newey-west

12/17/14 5:04pm

smh

ManicBlue

12/17/14 5:12pm

newey-west

12/18/14 7:08am

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