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Jan 31, 2015
3:33:37am
*sigh* really...?

How hard is this to understand (apparently pretty hard); let's go back to the OP (with some relevant points underlined):

Praised Lavell and how all the former players loved him and still do. 

Said that alumni probably have the least amount of involvement at BYU than any school in the country. 

Said 90% of the former players of BYU don't care for Bronco. 

Said Utah has the clear advantage over BYU anymore. 

Said if he or other former players try to call BYU occasionally to inform them about a player that BYU won't even return their calls. 

Said most alumni don't buy tickets or wanna go to BYU games anymore. 

Has used the word "frustrating" about 10 times in the last 5 minutes. 

Says he's still true blue but wants a different coach in there. 

He clearly can not stand Bronco. Wow!

Now let's look at your response:

Funny how a former player who has been a well known Bronco hater for years - spouts a bunch of things that are only his opinion and verifiably not true.... And you use the term "honest" LOL - You just can't make this stuff up.

So, we have 1) Buck making some pretty troubling claims 2) You saying he's not honest, and that a bunch of the things he said are VERIFIABLY not true

Rather than re-hash every thread where you did not show that to be true, let's look at your last response as typical and see if it proves in a "verifiable way" that many (or any) of Buck's claims were lies:

Bronco has invited players back and does it every year (I provided a link) [OK, and HOW MANY come? Are they part of the 10% Buck wasn't talking about? Your statement does not prove Buck was lying without further, "verifiable" information on the numbers we're talking about.] , A former player carries the team flag every single game, and many other well known times that Bronco makes a point of including past players.... [OK, and how many come? Are they part of the 10% Buck wasn't talking about? Your statement does not prove Buck was lying without further, "verifiable" information on the numbers we're talking about.And you don't think that flies in the face of Buck's claim that Bronco never talks to former players? [You apparently have a reading problem; that's NOT what Buck said, go up and read the claim I helpfully placed at the top of this response.] Is that really what you are saying right now? Really?

Let me spell this out for you. Buck claims that Bronco ignores former players [Uh, no - he claims Bronco ignores SOME former players (including him) without specifying how many, and that MOST former players don't care for Bronco.] - I provide both actual and anecdotal evidence that this is not true [Yep, you provided evidence a claim Buck didn't make isn't true; congrats.] - you claim to have poked holes in my "arguments". Ummmmm....... OK.

As I said - water is wet. Denying it only makes you look stupid. [Again with the irrelevant axioms...]

Let me add another bit just to put the final nail in the coffin holding your common sense and reasoning ability. The day after Buck's rant another former BYU star (Kozlowski) was on the radio refuting almost everything Buck said - including the lie about Bronco ignoring former players. [I didn't hear the other interview, so for all I know you could be grossly mischaracterizing Kozlowski's interview, but let's assume it's exactly as you said, so now it's "he said, she said," and that PROVES that Buck is lying? What if Kozlowski is lying? Again, you "proved' nothing.]  So do you chose to believe the ridiculous things Buck said or the things Koz said? [Ironic that you don't see that's the point: with the available evidence, it's really not possible to say who to believe. You say there's verifiable proof, but only provide evidence disproving things Buck didn't say. Congrats on that.]

I realize your agenda is to bash Bronco as much as you can and reason be damned. But use your head once in a while. [You have no idea what my "agenda" is, and I'd happily invite you to go scan my entire history on this board for evidence of "bashing" Bronco. I have definitely criticized what I perceive to be shortcomings with Bronco's performance and also have praised the things I like that he's done. You, however, have an established history as an unconditional Bronco supporter under all circumstances, so for you to play the "use your head and be objective" card is pretty rich.]

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Originally posted on Jan 31, 2015 at 3:33:37am
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