Also, a number of them were Cal/Stanford fans because they are alums. I got involved in helping to raise funds for a Stanford program among the Mormon network. There is money there and Stanford is a fundraising juggernaut. Mormons have been teaching and in administration at both schools for generations. I think the caricatures depicted here are a little silly, to be honest. Of course Prop 8 had an impact but I don't think that's why there is a problem. Our defensiveness as a people can also take ourselves out of the picture. Truth is I think Utah got picked because it looked more like the PAC schools as a state sponsored research institution and because they had two BCS wins at the moment PAC needed to defend against MWC's becoming an AQ under the old contract. Talk about timing the market perfectly. Boise would have covered though.

There were three guys in elders quorum who were big enough BYU fans to go to games. I could see OC members being more into cheering for BYU than people in the Bay Area. I'm sure other would disagree but I didn't see the army of rabid BYU fans people love to assume here. I live in NYC now and there is hardly anyone in the city; regional conferences for Tristate and Pennsylvania can fill Madison Square Garden but it's a huge stretch to assume that membership=BYU game attendance. It's just not the case. Not asking others to agree.