11 and 12 games a year, not losing to trams it shouldnt and beating good p5 teams with winning recirds ANDbeating Itah,it wouldnt matter if utah won every game theyplayed as long as BYu was beating Utah and winning at keast as maby or more games.. The orobkem is that usnt happening and it looks like Utah by most neasureabkes has a bettwr team and a better program THAN BYU. The problem is BYU as a orogram has fallen behind..not that utah has moved ahead. Noone would care is Bronco jad only lostonce or twice to Utah and if 54-10 jad never happened and if BYu had got to a bcs bowlnor two or a ny 6 bowl and there were some truly big wins along the way more so than a bowl win vs oregon and a bowl win vs oregon st... ot getting into ou and tx..those teams on the day nwe played them were not very good teams..the end. So the angzt is xue to the general nediocrity if BYU OR better yet,lack of exceptionalosm and from getting owned by utah..not from utahs success..itah coukd win every game every year.except 1.as long as byu beTs them,wins as many or more,no one will care