HC is the problem

Jul 29, 2016
12:31:28am

dixieutahbyuzag Walk-on

HC is the problem

The whole office needs to be reformed. It should only have the power to (1) process ecclesiastical endorsements (which I believe should be required) and (2) look into academic fraud. There should be no "well meaning roommates", no witch hunts.

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dixieutahbyuzag

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My issue with "amnesty" is that at some point there WILL be someone who tries to

LeftOfNormal

7/28/16 10:28pm

The rape defense has been around for ages. No system is going to be perfect

shimmy

7/28/16 10:31pm

Should be, but aren't. Noone wants to even LOOK like they're going after victims

LeftOfNormal

7/28/16 10:34pm

The question is: Is your scenario either more frequent or more damaging than the one where an actual rape victim keeps

Nikomedes

7/28/16 10:37pm

Based on what evidence?

boogers

7/28/16 10:38pm

Also fair, but there's got to be a way where a false accusation can't be used as

LeftOfNormal

7/28/16 10:44pm

You have to provide double amnesty, pending a criminal investigation. The

TaiJuan

7/28/16 10:47pm

But again, at that point, who CARES what the HC will and won't be investigating

LeftOfNormal

7/28/16 10:56pm

Bottom line for me is that if you're a dude, you should assume any physical

TaiJuan

7/28/16 10:41pm

Or...make sure its on video.

boogers

7/28/16 10:41pm

Not the worst idea, honestly.

TaiJuan

7/28/16 10:44pm

That is nice in theory, but not very effective

7/29/16 2:02am

Again, you know the rape defense has been around for ages for the sex right?

shimmy

7/28/16 10:41pm

This changes incentives in a major way. There's no downside to a false report.

TaiJuan

7/28/16 10:52pm

A false rape accusation is not a little fudge. It does change the incentive,

Baron

7/28/16 11:00pm

If you can tell the HCO one thing and the cops another you can have you cake and

TaiJuan

7/28/16 11:30pm

There's just not a good answer. "False accusations should be prosecuted to the

Cougarrrs

7/28/16 10:43pm

Would he get kicked out of UVU? I doubt it

concolor couguar

7/28/16 10:33pm

Maybe he is, maybe not. Maybe he drops out to work to pay for his lawyer.

LeftOfNormal

7/28/16 10:37pm

Wait now she is making false reports to the police not just to the HCO?

concolor couguar

7/28/16 10:40pm

Yes, I assumed that was clear. One doesn't typically go to the HCO to report a

LeftOfNormal

7/28/16 10:52pm

Your scenario was that the HCO came to the student with a complaint from the

concolor couguar

7/28/16 10:57pm

Apologies. I should have clarified. I figured it was assumed that if one levies

LeftOfNormal

7/28/16 11:00pm

Can you honestly offer amnesty to someone who is good enough to tell the HCO it

TaiJuan

7/28/16 11:01pm

Which is why it's ludicrous that the office is even investigating kissing

titlecoug

7/28/16 10:33pm

I agree, but who knows WHAT the well-meaning roommate said. All the girl knows

LeftOfNormal

7/28/16 10:39pm

The HC enforcement is the root of the problem. Amensty will just make women

boogers

7/28/16 10:39pm

I support amnesty in principle, but it's gonna be a clusteryewt for dudes down

TaiJuan

7/28/16 10:43pm

Do you think it will actually increase false reporting?

concolor couguar

7/28/16 10:45pm

Absolutely.

boogers

7/28/16 10:46pm

i don't see how the incentive is significantly increased.

concolor couguar

7/28/16 10:48pm

Yes. You can't say that granting amnesty won't change incentives, and that's

TaiJuan

7/28/16 10:48pm

How much do you think they increase? How much will actual rape reporting

concolor couguar

7/28/16 10:51pm

First, how many rapes are NOT reported.

boogers

7/28/16 10:55pm

I would say more than are falsely reported

concolor couguar

7/28/16 10:58pm

But that's in a system that doesn't provide the same incentives for falsificatn

TaiJuan

7/28/16 11:04pm

There I agree with you. This would be much simpler if the HCO's enforcement were severely curtailed

Nikomedes

7/28/16 10:55pm

Once again, amensty is not the issue in this scenario. It is the honor code

Baron

7/28/16 10:36pm

So the HC now prohibits kissing? How quaint

CougarThug

7/28/16 10:39pm

Again, that's fair, but it's the situation people could be put in, until the HC

LeftOfNormal

7/28/16 10:43pm

It is a situation that always existed. You could always lie to put the blame on

Baron

7/28/16 10:46pm

HC is the problem

dixieutahbyuzag

7/29/16 12:31am

Such a weird thing to worry about. Seriously.

Blueto

7/28/16 10:42pm

A dim view of very few, actually, but that few scare the yewt out of me.

LeftOfNormal

7/28/16 10:58pm

If you'd been through what someone close to me has been through wrt false

NewMexiCoug

7/29/16 5:49am

It already happens now, and may be slightly more likely after, but the benefits still outweigh

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