RE: Does a state have to warn every tourist about every danger?

May 10, 2024
7:21:21am

Left Hook Walk-on

I know on Kauai they have shut down access to multiple amazing natural areas(waterfalls etc..) as tourists keep finding ways to fall off cliffs and die. Too many lawsuits…

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Left Hook

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If you are planning to snorkel in Hawaii, you should wait 3 days after flying in

King of Y

May 10, 6:59am

Does a state have to warn every tourist about every danger?

idcougarfan

May 10, 7:06am

Agreed. It’s your responsibility to research your chosen activities.

Soupie

May 10, 7:08am

RE: Does a state have to warn every tourist about every danger?

Left Hook

May 10, 7:21am

So many great things are "illegal" because someone was an idiot on Hawaii

WorfoSAUR

May 10, 7:29am

I wonder how much they care about enforcement of some of these areas v. just making them officially illegal to access to

mvtoro

May 10, 10:16am

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Buffalo

May 10, 7:07am

I found it interesting that the state actually started to pass a law about it

King of Y

May 10, 7:12am

No. The proposed law was to record facts about rescues, not about snorkeling

insanobueno

May 10, 10:03am

You are correct. It’s a big enough issue that it’s making it to legislative issu

King of Y

May 10, 10:27am

Seems like common sense. Record the data about why/how someone drowned

insanobueno

May 10, 3:52pm

It beats paying those pesky life insurance premiums, though!

davevine

May 10, 7:57am

Just what we need, snorkeling to be regulated like scuba

Longseason

May 10, 7:07am

What's wrong with you? There is money to be had.

spoxjox

May 10, 7:09am

Not sure about it being regulated as much as just informing people of the risk.

King of Y

May 10, 7:15am

You can scuba without being certified. Dumb. But you can. But if you aren’t and

Fatalplacebo

May 10, 7:16am

RE: Just what we need, snorkeling to be regulated like scuba

Sacto Cougar

May 10, 8:54am

No way I’m waiting 3 days to snorkel. When we dove in Maui, we did it 2 days

blackandblue

May 10, 7:17am

You snorkeled down to 120 feet? Scuba, sure. But snorkel?

Greg Kite's 'stache

May 10, 7:30am

He did say "dove." And every certified diver knows that you have to wait 24hrs

sakar12

May 10, 8:21am

By what method are they to list every possible danger that could randomly happen

Yukon

May 10, 7:19am

…for every possible activity.

Soupie

May 10, 7:22am

Exactly!

AF_Puma

May 10, 8:24am

One of my favorite things about California

BYU Fan

May 10, 7:25am

It’s a know issue. They know the cause. Lining of lungs thins on long flight.

King of Y

May 10, 7:34am

Since the other post got deleted. Do you have a link to this fact?

Fatalplacebo

May 10, 9:04am

Or you can snorkel whenever you want

letthewookieewin

May 10, 7:27am

A lady in our ward died a couple years ago

Carnac

May 10, 7:28am

So active scuba diver here. The problem with scuba and air travel is

Fatalplacebo

May 10, 7:44am

I had no idea that was a thing.

Joe Banks

May 10, 7:45am

By snorkeling do we mean like just swimming on the surface with a life jacket or

BaseCoug

May 10, 8:24am

The former

Carnac

May 10, 8:25am

Wow, wild. I snorkeled today actually maybe my life was at risk…

BaseCoug

May 10, 8:33am

I have no idea

Carnac

May 10, 8:36am

This is not a thing. I would guess there are literally millions of snorkeling

kotacoug

May 10, 8:46am

Medical professionals in Hawaii are looking into it

Carnac

May 10, 8:50am

They are doing so because of legality issues. If you look at the commonality

kotacoug

May 10, 8:58am

I acknowledge it is a one-off, but the lady in my ward

Carnac

May 10, 9:05am

This snippet from the article hints at everything you need to know

Crazy Joe Davola

May 11, 5:44am

My guess is poor health was the bigger health concern then the flying. As a

wildlandfireguy

May 10, 8:35am

Unless the Agency is foolish enough to settle, this lady would be a moron to pursue this

Crazy Joe Davola

May 11, 5:47am

There's no case here. The state doesn't control snorkeling and has no duty to

Big McLargeHuge

May 10, 8:40am

No way am I going to wait 3 days after arriving in Hawaii to snorkel. I'd bet I'm more likely to die from a coconut

HarlemCoug

May 10, 8:40am

Every time we go to Hawaii I'm in the water snorkeling the moment we get to the condo

dryflyelk

May 10, 8:45am

In my field we call this negative pressure pulmonary edema, typically happens to

MrSandman

May 10, 9:04am

It's just too bad that in today's society we can no longer give sound medical

Rise Against

May 10, 9:07am

I think there is something to be said for larger people not being ashamed of how

SoBlueitHurts

May 10, 4:03pm

This isn’t negative pressure pulmonary edema.

IGlowInTheDark

May 10, 7:07pm

Pulling air hard through resistance of the snorkel can absolutely create

MrSandman

May 10, 8:03pm

Is there a lot of resistance in a snorkel? If someone can inhale comfortably out of a 6-0 ETT, why is a snorkel that is

Virginia Ute

May 10, 8:13pm

Not all snorkels are the same They are trying to figure out which ones cause

King of Y

May 10, 10:45pm

Are there any snorkels that are smaller than a 6-0 ETT?

Virginia Ute

May 10, 11:17pm

If you don’t believe you can have increased resistance while breathing through a

MrSandman

May 10, 11:37pm

I’m asking you to explain the physics of it.

Virginia Ute

May 11, 12:36am

Physics explained-

MrSandman

May 11, 7:09am

The normally operating cracking pressure of a scuba regulator is not causing…

IGlowInTheDark

May 11, 8:37am

That didn’t explain anything. You just said the same thing you been saying.

Virginia Ute

May 11, 2:18pm

The longer the tube, the greater the force required to equal the same flow. The

King of Y

May 11, 7:28am

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

IGlowInTheDark

May 11, 8:32am

pouiselle’s. but no.

Flyingdolphin

May 11, 8:49am

How many times does someone get off a plane, snorkel within your 3 day restriction period, and live.... vs... snorkel

HarlemCoug

May 11, 10:44am

Tube length is not a factor, not part of the equation.

Virginia Ute

May 11, 2:19pm

Maybe if it was kinked. This is SIPE.

IGlowInTheDark

May 10, 10:22pm

Agree to disagree but here are possible causes

MrSandman

May 10, 11:55pm

I’m a professional “make people breathe through tubes” as well.

IGlowInTheDark

May 11, 8:32am

I find it hard to believe it is that big a risk. I can see SCUBA but snorkeling

ImuaKahuku

May 10, 9:47am

“The number one fatality is drowning from snorkeling. It’s not from scuba diving

King of Y

May 10, 10:19am

How many people snorkel compared to scuba? How many obese people snorkel compared to scuba?

HarlemCoug

May 10, 10:22am

I highly doubt it’s from snorkeling, maybe while snorkeling. Age and ability are

ImuaKahuku

May 10, 3:09pm

Here is the report. You can doubt it. I just want to inform so people are aware

King of Y

May 10, 4:09pm

Sounds like they gassed then panicked which I am sure greatly effects the heart.

ImuaKahuku

May 10, 5:09pm

Thanks for posting.

eysikal

May 10, 5:12pm

Do you know where the actual full study is?

IGlowInTheDark

May 10, 7:22pm

First I'm not saying SCUBA, I mention it because I know from personal experience

ImuaKahuku

May 11, 12:42pm

Yup, completely agree. Something doesn't add up. Snorkeling at the surface has absolutely no relationship to flying.

Virginia Ute

May 10, 3:28pm

Flying for extended period to Hawaii, lung permeability changes, then snorkeling

King of Y

May 10, 4:11pm

That’s not likely the mechanism.

IGlowInTheDark

May 10, 7:20pm

Reality is this: if you can’t walk up 2 flights of stairs without being short of

MrSandman

May 10, 11:21am

Sad and tragic loss…. But this is a Money grab

Swishfromdeep3

May 10, 10:58pm

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