I think it's safe to say that the program is NO WHERE close to the point

Jan 8, 2013
7:44:24am

kotacoug

of the diminishing returns side of that equation. Proof is on the field and in the coaching booth. Coaches are just using that as an escape to rationalize not putting in the time other programs do. Our players don't put in close to the time others do either.

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I wonder if Bronco will take a hint from Sabin

Dan2

1/8/13 7:22am

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JimmyZ

1/8/13 7:25am

Since Bronco isn't going to look the other way while his players take steroids

BYUtiful

1/8/13 10:12am

Its tough to take steroids with random NCAA drug tests

Cougarlove

1/8/13 2:42pm

Actually, it's not tough at all; and tests are anything but "random"

BYUtiful

1/9/13 12:46am

I wondered about this during the championship game where one team was bigger,

tony

1/9/13 2:03am

You know he won't.

WJCougar

1/8/13 7:27am

What do you think Bronco has been doing since the bowl game?

Freddie Cougar

1/8/13 7:27am

He's been in Hawaii.

checoug

1/8/13 7:28am

And Saban doesn't take vacations?

Freddie Cougar

1/8/13 7:30am

My folks have a home by Nick Saban's lake house, we see him there all the

Banjo

1/8/13 7:43am

Saban had enough time for a cameo appearance

Seasider

1/8/13 8:34am

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JimmyZ

1/8/13 7:29am

In other words, nobody has a clue.

Freddie Cougar

1/8/13 7:30am

He has probably been getting home be three to get a break from having to stay

gwill

1/8/13 7:40am

Agree with everything you said

checoug

1/8/13 7:28am

Even if he puts in Sabin like effort....

WJCougar

1/8/13 7:29am

But it could have gotten us to a BCS bowl by now.

mr_thekid

1/8/13 2:31pm

You know, its not the time and effort. You know that right?

bald man

1/8/13 7:31am

Seriously?

checoug

1/8/13 7:34am

Can you sit there and with a straight face tell me that a professional

bald man

1/8/13 7:47am

He has publicly said it

checoug

1/8/13 7:58am

Everytime the anti bronco cite some quote its always out of context and

bald man

1/8/13 8:02am

This. Bronco quotes get stretched to the point of incomprehension.

TexasCoug

1/8/13 8:30am

Then answer this. Why would Bronco make such a statement at all?

CougFanInWA

1/8/13 11:43am

Why did Lou Holtz always poor mouth his own team?

TexasCoug

1/8/13 11:52am

I think you mean "can't understand reality."

CougFanInWA

1/8/13 11:58am

a pig will always find mud to wallow in.

bald man

1/8/13 11:59am

Re-read what I said

checoug

1/8/13 8:36am

He trusted Doman, it turns out he shouldn't. Thus Doman is gone.

bald man

1/8/13 8:51am

and add to your comment ...

ManicBlue

1/8/13 9:08am

So Bronco just threw that out there

checoug

1/8/13 9:14am

He has his reasons ... you just don't understand them

ManicBlue

1/8/13 9:21am

Ding! Ding! Ding!

BluePete

1/8/13 9:39am

Oh brother

checoug

1/8/13 12:47pm

BYU can't get the players to be NC contenders... the end.

FierceArc

1/8/13 9:04am

They did in 1984!

ilnati

1/8/13 10:15am

And almost did it again in '96 and '01.

BluePete

1/8/13 10:21am

Nope... those years they would not have gone. Did you forget that in '96 they

FierceArc

1/8/13 9:59pm

Its called the Perfect Storm ! > And it is possible !

BYU DUDE 1984

1/8/13 10:46am

Remember our loss to Air Force in 2010? We had more talented players, but they

BabyOx

1/8/13 4:43pm

Mostly it means having Alabama's players.

TexasCoug

1/8/13 7:28am

I would mostly agree

checoug

1/8/13 7:30am

Bronco could do better... He chooses not to.

kotacoug

1/8/13 7:31am

More time doesn't necessarily = better

Freddie Cougar

1/8/13 7:33am

I think it's safe to say that the program is NO WHERE close to the point

kotacoug

1/8/13 7:44am

Baloney!

Freddie Cougar

1/8/13 7:46am

you are delusional....you can not replace reps with efficiency no matter

kotacoug

1/8/13 7:51am

And how many reps does BYU put in compared to other teams?

Freddie Cougar

1/8/13 7:55am

That is so wrong. If you don't have the coaching chops to begin with, more time

bald man

1/8/13 7:54am

doubled1981

1/8/13 12:00pm

I disagree. I think he is doing the BEST he knows how

WhiteKnight

1/8/13 7:54am

Along with 119 other D-1 teams apparently...

TexasCoug

1/8/13 8:24am

Exactly! The sheer volume of fantastic players at Alabama makes a huge

bald man

1/8/13 7:32am

Conversely, Alabama has a dozen or more players youve never heard

RalphWiggam

1/8/13 7:45am

Yes but you have to start somewhere. Success breeds success

Dan2

1/8/13 7:45am

kotacoug

1/8/13 8:12am

Bronco has said one of his criteria to recruiting is level of success

bald man

1/8/13 8:15am

Maybe offense, but defense?? Defense has risen since Bronco took over DC duties

FierceArc

1/8/13 9:08am

correct

Burninator

1/8/13 8:14am

give me a break

chazen

1/8/13 9:03am

sorry. was intended as response to main post

chazen

1/8/13 9:23am

4-star recruits as a baseline would be nice.

sheriffcreg

1/8/13 10:36am

it amazes me how you guys keep think Bronco is an idiot or incompetent.

bald man

1/8/13 7:29am

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JimmyZ

1/8/13 7:30am

He already does mix with the Pharisees and Sadducees of cougar club.

bald man

1/8/13 7:31am

No he doesn't. His usual is to deliver his speech, try to avoid questions after

JamesDean

1/8/13 7:53am

oh, I'm never there, so I wouldn't know.

bald man

1/8/13 8:11am

No he surfs actual waves

checoug

1/8/13 7:32am

Who cares. Volume of time is not the determining factor on success.

bald man

1/8/13 7:33am

and he cares about it a whole lot more than we do.

Belboz

1/8/13 7:38am

They start off with the delusion that all of BYU's players are another Ziggy

BluePete

1/8/13 7:39am

Do you think BYU gets everything they possibly can out of players

kotacoug

1/8/13 7:48am

thus we are seeing coaching changes, and conditioning changes.

bald man

1/8/13 7:50am

Currently, not on offense. BYU has historically used a combination of

BluePete

1/8/13 8:01am

You nailed it. I wished they used more practice time, but gee, we

bald man

1/8/13 7:49am

Well now you're bringing in the competency of our coaches which I agree with you

kotacoug

1/8/13 8:11am

Practice doesn't make perfect. It just makes it permanent.

bald man

1/8/13 8:12am

That makes perfect sense why he had fewer pactices if he already

BluePete

1/8/13 8:26am

but spending more time doing something right.... helps

kotacoug

1/8/13 8:36am

Which is why his D is so good. Unfortunately, the O just wasn't

bald man

1/8/13 8:38am

I am just as amazed that fans can look at the last 3 years and not doubt BM

byutx

1/8/13 8:31am

I'm not a Bronco can do no wrong guy. He made mistakes in hiring.

bald man

1/8/13 8:37am

You can respect the man, which I question, but you can't respect recent results

byutx

1/8/13 8:42am

Indeed, thus Bronco getting a new OC. The offense has stunk. He knows it.

bald man

1/8/13 8:51am

LOI day is just 4 weeks away, so of course they will start working

Indy Coug

1/8/13 7:39am

Saban only used 12 of his 15 allowed practices for ND...

TheKing

1/8/13 8:06am

Link? If true, that needs to be its own thread.

SausageKingOfChicago

1/8/13 8:08am

Here you go

TheKing

1/8/13 8:12am

There was actually some criticism before the game about that.

TexasCoug

1/8/13 8:23am

LOL. That. Is. Awesome. So much for half of CB's favorite Bronco criticism

WhiteKnight

1/8/13 8:13am

Actually no - this only confirms the criticism

OGSuperfan

1/8/13 8:25am

We won our bowl game too.

Freddie Cougar

1/8/13 8:47am

I wasn't talking JUST the practices leading up to the bowl game

OGSuperfan

1/8/13 1:40pm

examples of basic X's and O's problems?

WhiteKnight

1/8/13 4:47pm

Really need a defininition of X's and O's?

OGSuperfan

1/9/13 10:12am

How the original post is leading potd and this one isn't is vintage cougarboard

palangi

1/8/13 8:57am

Well said. It's the reason why, IMO, college coaches don't make good nfl coaches

macaroni

1/8/13 9:52am

Bronco wasn't watching last night, but he seems to do pretty well on D..

SausageKingOfChicago

1/8/13 8:07am

u hope Bronco makes more cliche coaching statements about getting back to work?

Ft Worth Cougar

1/8/13 8:16am

I generally agree with this statement

SausageKingOfChicago

1/8/13 8:23am

Ha, Ha, that's funny. Yeah, I came into work early this morning and told my

DapperDave

1/8/13 9:12am

Why do you think the coaches and players are doing nothing?

pygmalion

1/8/13 8:33am

Don't confuse the uneducated with education. They hate Bronco...

TexasCoug

1/8/13 8:35am

Pwned!

Indy Coug

1/8/13 8:36am

Why do you think it bodes well for the coaches if they're doing as much work

byutx

1/8/13 8:38am

Keep moving those goalposts around

Freddie Cougar

1/8/13 8:46am

RE: Why do you think it bodes well for the coaches if they're doing as much work

pygmalion

1/8/13 8:55am

Win more. And stop saying stupid stuff.

byutx

1/8/13 9:06am

Maybe it is the hearer that is stupid.

Freddie Cougar

1/8/13 9:28am

+ A billion

TexasCoug

1/8/13 9:31am

RE: Maybe it is the hearer that is stupid.

ManicBlue

1/8/13 9:57am

Said the guy who doesn't regret keeping RN in vs. BSU all those snaps

byutx

1/8/13 10:36am

RE: Said the guy who doesn't regret keeping RN in vs. BSU all those snaps

ManicBlue

1/8/13 10:40am

Yours was a Bronco quote. I was referring to Bronco

byutx

1/8/13 10:51am

ah .. right. That's why I modified my post. Thanks.

ManicBlue

1/8/13 10:58am

You really don't think BM has said stupid things?

byutx

1/8/13 10:35am

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BluePete

1/8/13 10:39am

Perhaps, but they become infinitely stupider once run through the CB filter

Freddie Cougar

1/8/13 12:05pm

The stupid things Bronco says I've heard directly from him on KSL

byutx

1/8/13 12:20pm

I have first hand knowledge of a player being in Hawaii

donnerstag

1/8/13 10:43am

What? This is an outrage! Players shouldn't be allowed to go to Hawaii with a

DapperDave

1/8/13 11:00am

I think he should lose his scholarship

kkf

1/8/13 11:02am

nope

pygmalion

1/8/13 11:03am

It sounds like you are drawing conclusions with little evidence to support them

donnerstag

1/8/13 11:17am

I dunno....

pygmalion

1/8/13 11:24am

That gives you just one point of reference

donnerstag

1/8/13 11:38am

You assume that BYU's athletes NEVER talk with athletes from other schools...

BluePete

1/8/13 11:43am

I was a track athlete at BYU

donnerstag

1/8/13 11:50am

Plenty of "immediate family" members on various BYU teams here...

BluePete

1/8/13 11:54am

So then you can compare and contrast the programs of 2-3 schools

donnerstag

1/8/13 11:58am

Get right on that...run fast like a bunny and prove a CBer's opinion wrong.

BluePete

1/8/13 12:04pm

My intent wasn't to prove right or wrong

donnerstag

1/8/13 12:13pm

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DapperDave

1/8/13 12:03pm

You came up with this conclusion how?

donnerstag

1/8/13 12:07pm

Of course. Step 1 - I read your posts. Step 2 - There is no step 2!

DapperDave

1/8/13 12:13pm

You're an irrational thinker

donnerstag

1/8/13 12:15pm

It's true, yet I can still spot from a mile away an overinvested fan

DapperDave

1/8/13 12:22pm

You know what, my bad, I'm not an irrational thinker, just a stupid one. I

DapperDave

1/8/13 12:47pm

No worries;)

donnerstag

1/8/13 1:47pm

I never said BYU football works harder

pygmalion

1/8/13 12:10pm

You are casting your pearls before swine...

TexasCoug

1/8/13 12:18pm

I know

pygmalion

1/8/13 12:27pm

I do it all the time...just from a common sense perspective, not an insider...

TexasCoug

1/8/13 12:33pm

LOL. I haven't followed this whole thread because it's way too long.

mr_thekid

1/8/13 2:45pm

Even atheists use that figure of speech.

TexasCoug

1/8/13 2:59pm

Nice try, I'm an "out-of-stater."

mr_thekid

1/8/13 4:32pm

Then you have probably heard it as well.

TexasCoug

1/8/13 4:44pm

I appreciate the post

donnerstag

1/8/13 12:26pm

yes, everyone shows up

pygmalion

1/8/13 12:43pm

good to hear

donnerstag

1/8/13 12:48pm

Tell us about your point of reference.

Ssebo

1/8/13 1:51pm

I already did. You missed it.

donnerstag

1/8/13 1:57pm

Let me play devil's advocate:

DapperDave

1/8/13 9:00am

^^^A Fantastic Post^^^

grosven

1/8/13 11:48am

Yes great post

Cougarlove

1/8/13 4:11pm

BYU isn't going to be elite Dan2. Accept it.

FierceArc

1/8/13 9:03am

Why do you think ND was just hoping and praying and not practicing?

Florwood

1/8/13 9:07am

Saban also kept referring to his UNIVERSITY as an organization

fish_tacos

1/8/13 9:34am

What do you expect him to say?

HiLife

1/8/13 10:06am

couldn't agree more

fish_tacos

1/8/13 10:24am

I wonder if CB will take a hint from Sabin

Magyar_CougAZ

1/8/13 9:47am

The assumptions made here are astounding. How stupid do you think

PhilPete

1/8/13 10:08am

I don't think BM is stupid. I think he's lacking in smarts, humility. But people

byutx

1/8/13 10:37am

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donnerstag

1/8/13 10:38am

I think the fact Alabama gets all the best players helps Sabans cause

kkf

1/8/13 10:44am

This post sucks.

grosven

1/8/13 11:38am

"Praying doesn't cut it. Ask Notre Dame" LOL

bluegato

1/8/13 12:35pm

They aren't all way over 300 pounds

CoopDizz

1/8/13 12:37pm

This is why I love Nick Saban

StalwartBraveTrue

1/8/13 2:05pm

RE: I wonder if Bronco will take a hint from Sabin

JCBYU

1/8/13 3:07pm

Good call. Remember the Jones v. McCarron "fight"?

BabyOx

1/8/13 4:38pm

Nominated

checoug

1/8/13 10:27pm

Good post

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