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if the PAC / Orphan 8 Merge

Future_Tacos

9:26am

If the P12 takes Baylor and TCU, it'd be a massive deal. And absolute hypocrisy. And that includes WVU. So no way.

Turnpike Lane

9:27am

IMO, College athletics looks hell bent on destroying itself. Goes

FT487

9:26am

For those who think the B12 will collapse & the AAC will reap the benefits

CaliWG

9:25am

What if there are exclusions in contracts that are void if certain teams leave?

byusage

9:28am

The smart move for the ACC, Big Ten, and PAC 12 is to do nothing.

Everyman

9:25am

Just a friendly reminder, based on my 37 years of BYU fandom, that no matter how

macdizzle

9:24am

Ute fan!

Backcountry

9:26am

You’re always good with splitting it more ways if the overall pie is bigger

2FarGone

9:27am

Wrong. If that were the case we'd have been invited to a P5 at some point in the

macdizzle

9:29am

UT and OU are probably at the top of the most hated schools now, right?

maxpowers

9:24am

Perspective matters. I am sure many SEC schools not named TAMU view them pretty

Loafer

9:26am

TX always has been and it’s actions are not surprising.

Everyman

9:27am

My wife's relatives who are all Clemson, FSU & Miami fans are pissed.

-C9- *unsubscribe*

9:24am

Eh. I think that is over stating it.

CosmoK

9:25am

Mandel: The new "reality" of CFB in 2021 is it's no longer about adding bodies

Indy Coug Loquacious Lummox

9:24am

In this context, BYU is a "body"

Indy Coug

9:24am

All but maybe a dozen are bodies...BYU included.

WIGGIN

9:25am

True we are just hoping there are enough other bodies to make a decent conferenc

johnnybyu

9:26am

True, but if nobody wants the Big 12’s leftovers, they ll probably have no

Kavorka

9:28am

Does 8 teams provide enough total games for the Big12 TV partners?

Charles Darwin

9:29am

I don't know enough about TV Landscape to know.

CosmoK

9:30am

USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Colorado to the Big Ten would be interesting.

Jeffacka

9:18am

Replace Oregon with Washington

JKLCoug

9:20am

Maybe, but the Nike brand is probably worth more than UW.

Jeffacka

9:22am

I'm sure USC would love to send their Olympic sports to Piscataway and State College instead of Palo Alto and Berkeley.

Conan

9:24am

Colorado over UW would be dumb

Taccoug

9:25am

Rumors state the BIG wants to be in every time zone.

Jeffacka

9:29am

In my uniformed opinion, that seems like the 1st move the BIG would try to make

Avery

9:28am

I think it would be the nice thing to do to offer the Big XII cast-offs

gmj81

9:16am

Offer them some consulting on how to navigate the g5 landscape including how to

Ojiisan

9:18am

Worst outcome for BYU would be if the Big 12 and Pac 12 merged

TNT Intervention Needed

9:16am

Very well could happen, though I think some teams are going to go to the big 10

byusage

9:17am

Pretty sure this is what the remnants of the Big 12 are going to try to do

TNT

9:19am

The P12 would be smart to add at least 2 decent programs from the B12.

mudpupper

9:19am

That and no teams want to lose California games for games in Stillwater and Lubb

johnnybyu

9:20am

This will be what happens

runningryan

9:19am

Worst would be if the AAC takes 5 big 12 teams and the rest go to power conferen

johnnybyu

9:19am

I cant imagine any big 12 teams taking such a financial cut

byusage

9:22am

I agree unless they are so dis functional they can' agree on a new conf. I thin

johnnybyu

9:25am

Unless we somehow got invited, I agree

rggee

9:22am

I wish I had your optimism

runningryan

9:24am

Wouldn’t help the pac 12. They’d be even more bottom heavy.

squints

9:24am

Wilner said (and I agree) that none of the Big 12 leftovers would increase the revenue for each PAC school, and the PAC

Conan

9:26am

POLL: Could you beat Kelsey Plum in a game of one on one?

scootsy Greatest Actor Alive or Dead

9:13am

Who? Now back to expansion discussion

TNT

9:14am

I'm 6'5" and she is 5'8". So yes.

mudpupper

9:15am

Never seen her play. In my prime, probably

Goliath

9:16am

She's been killing it...great player

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

9:29am

RE: POLL: Could you beat Kelsey Plum in a game of one on one?

2FarGone

9:29am

My shock at discovering that MHver3 is already wrong again:

oxcoug

9:12am

So where's the update refuting this claim (not that I'm a MHver3 believer...)?

Indy Coug

9:14am

For starters - his claim that Texas is worried it could be blocked by

oxcoug

9:17am

He is an idiot, but in this case, technically not wrong yet. Simply sending the

Loafer

9:24am

POLL: Your opinion of the Olympics so far (competition and coverage)?

Indy Coug Loquacious Lummox

9:10am

A whole lot of boring stuff I don’t care about so far.

Lifi

9:12am

I have watched more than I thought I would and have enjoyed it but I miss having the crowds.

Cosmodiar

9:12am

Too many boring Olympic sports.

scootsy

9:12am

BTW, YouTube TV's DVR system is truly showing its value this past week

Indy Coug

9:12am

No idea, haven't watched

braddahmike

9:13am

It's not as good when it's 15 hrs away

johnnycarson

9:14am

The NBC Sports app has been terrible

4th and Niner

9:17am

Great sportsmanship from Caeleb Dressel.

TailgateU

9:10am

I was thinking, "What??? Prelim swimmers get medals too I thought..."

bluelands

9:16am

Hey Mariners fans! I hesitate to even bring this up but the boys are in the hunt

Lifi

9:09am

It’s our favorite place to be. In the hunt and miss by just a game or two.

Salami Karate

9:19am

you just jinxed them

Taccoug

9:28am

So let's imagine for a second that the Big 12 doesn't get eaten...

Adrielle Subjective Fact Checker

9:09am

Hard to even play that game. The Bug 12 is dead.

Lifi

9:11am

Better than the AAC, so yes.

Ironhide

9:11am

Maybe. If not, it would still be better than AAC or MWC. This is our best hope.

teancum

9:22am

POLL: If college football haves split to a new league and BYU is excluded from playing in it, which would you do?

OU Cougar

9:09am

Some of these options are fan actions; others are BYU actions...

The Dark Knight

9:15am

The big picture

clocker

9:15am

Big 12 was so dumb to not expand in previous years. If they were 12 or 14 right

Dangerous

9:09am

Losing teams the stature of Texas and OU would always be a big deal

TNT

9:11am

That whole dog and pony show a few years ago never made any sense. And how they thought they were safe with 10 members

Texas Hammer

9:11am

The issue then and now is all about $$$$. Expanding didn't guarantee them more. Moving to the SEC will.

Turnpike Lane

9:14am

They have always wanted to expand. They just couldn't interest the teams they

Jay Kay

9:16am

Some of them miss-calculated the risk, I think.

CosmoK

9:24am

kapcreations

9:17am

It wouldn't have changed the inevitable

RockyBalboa

9:23am

They were dumb not to get back to 12 in 2011.

Kavorka

9:24am

BYU was so lucky to not have joined that conference

Loafer

9:29am

Japan was practically no-hitting our softball team through the first five. Cool to see the walkoff homer tho

scootsy Greatest Actor Alive or Dead

9:08am

Truth is, PAC 12 better solidify, or the P12 is going through thus same thing in the near future

Romex Plex Administrator

9:07am

I think geography may prevent usc from bolting.

johnnycarson

9:08am

Not so sure, I am listening to ESPN U this morning and they have brought it up multiple times

Romex

9:11am

They need to up their broadcast situation pronto.

Soupie

9:09am

Agreed. Their TV deal is also about to expire, and they are ripe pickings for

al3124

9:13am

Doubt it. Barring a complete realignment of the system, Pac 12 teams arent going

Jay Kay

9:13am

B1g and pac could merge, I guess.

johnnycarson

9:14am

They certainly don't want to play in Lubbock or Stillwater. A big 10 partnership

johnnybyu

9:16am

He wasn't claiming insider info, but Neuheisel speculated this morning about

Byron McNertney

9:28am

Dallas Morning News reporting that UT and OK have officially notified Big 12

frostycoug

9:06am

RE: Dallas Morning News reporting that UT and OK have officially notified Big 12

Romex

9:08am

What happens to fan interest if bluebloods spin off?

Gustav

9:05am

If my team can't compete on the biggest stage, I'll lose interest for sure.

WHO DEY

9:07am

I think this could backfire on the blue bloods.

Kavorka

9:19am

I'm curious to see when Texas and Oklahoma leave for the SEC.

Mister P

9:04am

No. They're only saying they're honoring the GOR because legally they have to

cougfan03

9:05am

I'm guessing 2022 or 2023 at the latest they're in the SEC

cougfan03

9:05am

Have to give 18 months notice as well, so 2023 soonest.

Turnpike Lane

9:18am

Do schools within a state owe each other transparency?

Tokolosh Intervention Needed

9:02am

Only To the state if they are taking state funds

SUAVO

9:04am

If they're part of the same state-funded higher system then I think yes

oxcoug

9:05am

There's some irony there

Gustav

9:14am

aTm’s discomfort has been fun to watch. Imagine Utah if the PAC took BYU or USC

ColdFusion1989

9:02am

I don’t think Utah would have a problem with BYU joining the P12

letthewookieewin

9:02am

The PAC is the best spot for BYU and the rivalry would get more national play if we were in the conference together.

Tokolosh

9:03am

*only logical spot

letthewookieewin

9:04am

Sucks it won't ever work out.

Ironhide

9:05am

Not until the PAC loses its best to the sec or b1g.

TailgateU

9:11am

I have zero hope for it, even under that scenario.

Ironhide

9:22am

Chris Hill would have never said it. I could see Harlan pushing for it.

ColdFusion1989

9:05am

Nope. Don’t hold your breath there. He’s just more diplomatic.

Soupie

9:07am

But we all know, the PAC 12 isn’t inviting BYU. And it is nothing more than Religion.

Romex

9:06am

RE: aTm’s discomfort has been fun to watch. Imagine Utah if the PAC took

dYrtbYkerYder

9:05am

Talk about a first (sports) world problem

Gustav

9:08am

to Utah's credit, I don't think their admin would say the same dumb things

Avery

9:12am

It would be hilarious if USC bolted and the P12 began crumbling.

Romex Plex Administrator

9:01am

The ability of Texas, OU and the SEC to keep this move a secret, especially in

bob falfa

9:01am

McMurphy says that OU and TX reached out the the SEC, in December.

Everyman

9:09am

RE: The ability of Texas, OU and the SEC to keep this move a secret, especially

Cougz19

9:23am

BIG12 - add BYU/Cinci/Houston/UCF + Gonzaga & Wichita State for all other sports

WIGGIN

9:00am

Gonzaga softball flying to UCF might be a problem.

Art Director

9:02am

That is the fly in the ointment...but Gonzaga needs out of the WCC...

WIGGIN

9:03am

Do they? Seem to be doing just fine there.

Jimo Dashen

9:07am

Yes, but if BYU leaves...all the sudden it is even weaker than it is now...

WIGGIN

9:10am

I think they were happy before BYU arrived.

The Dark Knight

9:16am

Doesn't seem to be the case now, we continue to hear rumblings that Gonzaga is

WIGGIN

9:19am

Nope - Few has been trying to get into a better conference.

JoeExotic

9:29am

Not sure it would work, but it's not a bad idea

Adrielle

9:03am

Are BYU and Gonzaga for bball only? Because now you have a conference that

thewaterboy

9:03am

Clearly a logistics issue for Gonzaga...but they might be willing to be able to

WIGGIN

9:05am

If KU can't find another conference, I could see them push for Gonzaga, which

thewaterboy

9:14am

No need to add Gonzaga.

Benfica1

9:12am

Blog: Buy or Sell: ESPN's FPI outlook for each BYU game this season View

[247 Sports]

8:54am

TNT would be so happy to leave that high-school gym lovin' WCC

TNT Intervention Needed

8:53am

Those gyms are "cozy"

SUAVO

8:54am

If cozy is synonymous for crappy, TNT agrees

TNT

9:18am

POLL: Assuming they stay the same, does the Pac-12 win or lose with the current round of expansion?

OPINIONS This rating costs $0.20/day

8:49am

Up one spot in the conference hierarchy to #4

Tare

8:53am

Pac-12 is already #4 (disputable) in the hierarchy. Though this would make it undisputed.

OPINIONS

8:56am

In football?!?

cbluil

9:10am

I think the B12 weakening, which is their closest geographic threat, strengthens them.

TCuz

8:53am

Here’s what’s funny about the Big12…I think our hubris is getting in the way of

byuguns55

8:49am

I don't think anyone doubts they would still have left

Gustav

8:53am

Knowing they would have left doesn't preclude us from watching and laughing at

Ozymandias

8:57am

Very true

byuguns55

9:17am

Who here actually thinks BYU would have changed the B12?

mudpupper

8:59am

I think both OU and UT voted to expand during the last beauty pageant. It was

dYrtbYkerYder

9:00am

I don't think anybody here thinks that

Jesse Pinkman

9:00am

There is no longer such a thing as the p5

Coog4Life

8:48am

There hasn’t been such a thing, since 2014 but yes they still have a seat.

Everyman

9:15am

OU/UT pre-written letter to the Big12 dated 7/30.

rivercitycoug

8:47am

Terrible situation for us if B12’s first move is to invite BYU + others.

DirtyWater

8:46am

All scheduling contracts have an out clause for joining a P5. Not a problem.

Soupie

8:48am

That’s not the point.

DirtyWater

8:48am

I think byu will be able to reschedule most of their games if they were to back

SUAVO

8:53am

The big12 leftovers will seek to jump to other conferences first.

Mister P

8:49am

Agreed this will happen but may take a while and not sure how many big 12 teams

johnnybyu

8:51am

And I think that’s his point; we would need some major reassurances that certain

byuguns55

8:51am

If no other P5s take them, that is your assurance they'll stay.

Mister P

8:54am

They'll try everything first, including adding other P5 teams.

CosmoK

8:51am

True. I didn't mention that because that is a looooong shot.

Mister P

8:55am

IMO, BYU should join a conference for even-money. Indy has run its course.

CosmoK

8:50am

RE: Terrible situation for us if B12’s first move is to invite BYU +

FT487

8:50am

There will be some conference left and it should be better than the AAC. BYU

johnnybyu

8:50am

RE: There will be some conference left and it should be better than the AAC.

dYrtbYkerYder

8:52am

I agree this as the most likely scenario

holyyewtbatman

9:07am

You do know that this is part of the reason why we got left out in 2011, right?

dYrtbYkerYder

8:51am

Yes. Yes I do. And were there many, many unhappy Cougar fans?

DirtyWater

8:54am

Are you new here? Yes, BYU fans were very upset when we botched Big 12 expansion

dYrtbYkerYder

8:55am

So you learned nothing from 2011?

DirtyWater

8:59am

The lesson to learn from 2011 is to say yes and figure out the details later.

dYrtbYkerYder

9:03am

Unsubstantiated claims directly contradicting what anyone in the know has said

cougargollum

9:08am

RE: Unsubstantiated claims directly contradicting what anyone in the know has

dYrtbYkerYder

9:10am

We literally just finished a season that holmoe made up on the fly.

runnincoug

8:53am

Nope, you join right away.

rggee

8:53am

2011 and 2014 are calling and want their hubris back.

TrueBlue67

8:55am

Honest truth, BYU isn’t getting ANY invite.

Romex

8:58am

Sources?

SUAVO

9:05am

I’m not delusional

Romex

9:09am

A fair prediction. But I think *SOMETHING* (MWC, AAC) will be available.

CosmoK

9:19am

You can just fall back to a conference that might have already replaced you?

Corn Pop

9:01am

ESPN

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Listening to Brett McMurphy on SiriusXM Ch 84

Texas sends the letter

Big 12 is falling apart, but if by a miracle it doesn't I think the following

Terrible situation for us if B12’s first move is to invite BYU + others.

Not shocking, but news reports that KU, ISU, and OSU all looking to B10.

UT writer ruthlessly predicts the rest of the conference goes to the AAC, except

LOL. David James was just talking about realignment and showing old footage of BYU. And what should show up but...

Wait. The conference doesn’t want to be played? My how the turn tables.

Pulled what I think is a botfly larvae out of my leg… what now?

Pac-12 makes their own earth-shattering announcement...

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