actually, pace is about the same now as it was mid -80s

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POLL: With Pippen's recent remarks on Lebron, I'm curious about what CB thinks- Who's the better basketball player: MJ or Lebron?

Parkcity_and

2/14/19 1:00pm

Michael might average 50-60 in todays nba

CarolinaCoug

2/14/19 1:01pm

he would have scored less

Josef K

2/14/19 1:02pm

How?

Sandy Lyle

2/14/19 1:02pm

Everyone scored more than they do now in his 86-87 year

Josef K

2/14/19 1:05pm

You should do some research and then realize you don't know what you are

kimdaddy35

2/14/19 1:15pm

There were more points or equal points scored without 3 point shooting

Belboz

2/14/19 1:24pm

They averaged .8 possessions more per game in '86-'87 than they do

kimdaddy35

2/14/19 1:28pm

And how about last year and the year before that?

Belboz

2/14/19 1:50pm

What does Lebron James have anything to do with comparing how much Michael

kimdaddy35

2/14/19 1:54pm

Maybe nothing. 80s basketball was faster paced than what we've seen since

Belboz

2/14/19 2:02pm

Nope. Still stands. I’m going off completed seasons.

Josef K

2/14/19 1:28pm

You go by what you said even though it is wrong? LOL. Why not compare it to

kimdaddy35

2/14/19 1:31pm

Average score per team was 105 or above until Jordan’s first retirement

Josef K

2/14/19 1:47pm

You are ignoring the point of the argument regarding the physical nature of

kimdaddy35

2/14/19 2:01pm

Overrated. Here’s highlights from the 89 playoffs vs the knicks

Josef K

2/14/19 2:13pm

Video doesn't lie. The idea that defense was better back then is a complete

Dillinger

2/14/19 2:14pm

Watch some video of when the Bulls played the Pistons. You are right, it

kimdaddy35

2/14/19 2:15pm

Sure. The last couple years of jordans career

Josef K

2/14/19 2:18pm

Jordan couldn't be hand checked and grabbed the whole time. He would be

Sandy Lyle

2/14/19 1:52pm

agreed, the NBA was so much more physical. defenders could get away with so

Cougz19

2/14/19 1:03pm

The game was not more physical in the 80s. It was actually faster paced and

Josef K

2/14/19 1:11pm

Then the Pistons came along.

Belboz

2/14/19 1:21pm

Why did they score less points then?

kimdaddy35

2/14/19 1:21pm

So there is this thing called the 3-pointer that teams shoot now... 3>2.

Devouring1

2/14/19 1:23pm

Which helps make the game higher scoring. A direct contradiction to what he

kimdaddy35

2/14/19 1:29pm

He is referring to the pace and amount of scoring The amount was higher.

Devouring1

2/14/19 1:39pm

Teams average 100 possessions per game today, in 1986-87 they averaged 100.8

kimdaddy35

2/14/19 1:42pm

I think the reason we are on different pages is simple.

Devouring1

2/14/19 2:20pm

But most of Jordan's career was in the 90's, when the pace had already slowed

Game Changer

2/14/19 6:58pm

They didn’t. This is the only year of lebron’s career that scoring has been

Josef K

2/14/19 1:26pm

The average point totals today are higher than they were in 86-87, so you

kimdaddy35

2/14/19 1:29pm

but his point stands that for the most part of lebron's career scoring and pace

smokymountainrain

2/14/19 1:44pm

Why are we talking about mid-80's? He was referring to 86-87 and whether

kimdaddy35

2/14/19 1:46pm

86-87 was mid-80s. and sure, it wasn't way more, it was just a little bit more

smokymountainrain

2/14/19 1:47pm

But you are ignoring the physical nature of the late 80's. If you were alive

kimdaddy35

2/14/19 1:58pm

the physicality is overstated. but even if you don't believe that, i'm not sure

smokymountainrain

2/14/19 2:13pm

It was both faster paced and more physical. Those are not mutually exclusive.

Game Changer

2/14/19 6:49pm

He shot more free throws per game than Harden in 88.

Devouring1

2/14/19 1:19pm

and Harden would have shot 25% less if he played back in the 80's

Cougz19

2/14/19 2:07pm

Thats such a silly argument. It's like the players are getting worse over the

Dillinger

2/14/19 1:24pm

you're wrong. basketball is literally the only sport on the planet where guys

smokymountainrain

2/14/19 1:26pm

Chris Bosh the other day said Dwayne Wade would have scored 40 a game if he was

Dillinger

2/14/19 1:27pm

see, comments like this are so dumb. if that's the case, why isn't lebron or

smokymountainrain

2/14/19 1:30pm

i'm not so sure it's as silly as it sounds. MJ had 37ppg in an era with far less

macaroni

2/14/19 1:37pm

actually, pace is about the same now as it was mid -80s

smokymountainrain

2/14/19 1:41pm

this is why i added more to the argument. i could have also added that watered

macaroni

2/14/19 1:54pm

One on One I'll take Lebron all day. If I'm putting together a team, I'll take MJ first every time

IceBlueCoug

2/14/19 1:02pm

I agree. Lebron is much more physical than MJ was

Croweater

2/14/19 1:04pm

He is bigger. Not sure I would say more physical.

kimdaddy35

2/14/19 1:16pm

One on one lebron just backs him down and dunks every time

Croweater

2/14/19 1:22pm

Wrong on this. MJ can foul him and LBJ is terrible at FTs.

notsofast

2/14/19 1:28pm

Who calls fouls playing 1on1

IceBlueCoug

2/14/19 1:29pm

James Harden definitely would.

crack

2/14/19 1:55pm

So it's not really basketball, it's run you over ball. Got it.

notsofast

2/14/19 2:19pm

Lol, then why dont teams do this to him now? Cause he always gets the and-1..

Devouring1

2/14/19 1:30pm

LeBron is not a good FT shooter, really not that great of a shooter,

notsofast

2/14/19 2:23pm

Right...eyeroll

kimdaddy35

2/14/19 1:44pm

uhh

Cougz19

2/14/19 2:13pm

One on One? Would Labron beat Wilt? Kareem? Magic? Shaq? Malone? I'd say nope.

Benfica1

2/14/19 1:42pm

Pippen would have you believe that the better question is LeBron vs. Kobe.

garyfan

2/14/19 1:06pm

That is the better question. LeBron is closer to Kobe than Jordan.

Game Changer

2/14/19 6:50pm

Crazy. And not because LeBron is necessarily as good as MJ but because

garyfan

2/14/19 8:50pm

RE: POLL: With Pippen's recent remarks on Lebron, I'm curious about what CB thinks- Who's the better basketball player:

soupie

2/14/19 1:07pm

in terms of that comparison the only thing i know for sure is that

smokymountainrain

2/14/19 1:09pm

Different players in different eras with different rules

Crazy Duck

2/14/19 1:12pm

Is this the same Scottie Pippen that said he was better than Lebron?

kimdaddy35

2/14/19 1:17pm

This one

BYUFootballisBack

2/14/19 2:04pm

Which one of his recent remarks?

BYUFootballisBack

2/14/19 2:04pm

I"m a Jazz fan and Yes he pushed off, BUT

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