No, I was just doing the same eval you did. Utah had talent, BYU had more back then overall. But still lost games.

Jan 8, 2020
2:21:21pm

Turnpike Lane Monday Morning Quarterback

Talent is sometimes not enough. Especially when it is young and inexperienced, or mixed with bad or inconsistent QB play.

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On paper, BYU should start out next season 1-0

LifelongAP Semi-Pro

1/8/20 12:36pm

Are the coaches the same?

CaliWG

1/8/20 12:40pm

And winning

puntersarepeople

1/8/20 1:07pm

At this point I have zero faith they can win a game against them.

eysikal

1/8/20 12:41pm

Looks like uu is in your head as well. Hope that the team can shake it better

Benfica1

1/8/20 1:53pm

100% agree that this is BYU's best chance in a while, and probably its best

Scratch

1/8/20 12:44pm

BYU could win, but Utah's coaching is superior and general overall talent

Archaea

1/8/20 12:55pm

The talent gap is real.

RalphWiggam

1/8/20 12:53pm

Will the inexperience give BYU a chance? That's the question.

Archaea

1/8/20 12:56pm

Not QB. Or TE. LB may be close

puntersarepeople

1/8/20 1:08pm

Umm their TE looks really good.

eysikal

1/8/20 1:14pm

Pretty tough to argue that BYU has more talent at QB or TE.

Scratch

1/8/20 1:21pm

When it comes to depth probably not

puntersarepeople

1/8/20 3:15pm

So do we just count the number of guys on each roster with that position listed

Scratch

1/8/20 3:30pm

Utah's QB is a three year starter in the SEC who threw for 3,000 yards and 27TD

BrobaFett

1/8/20 1:25pm

I doubt Utah is deeper at both QB and TE

puntersarepeople

1/8/20 3:12pm

Actually, they don't. Shelley has more experience than those 2 guys combined.

Scratch

1/8/20 3:33pm

Not in depth though

puntersarepeople

1/8/20 3:39pm

And BYU doesn't have one QB that would start at Utah.

BrobaFett

1/8/20 3:45pm

Wrong. BYUs QBs are younger and better than you think

puntersarepeople

1/8/20 4:10pm

Just awesome. Do you relaize that BYU did lose when Shelley started?

Scratch

1/8/20 4:15pm

BYU is a lot better now and will have a good shot at winning if Shelley plays.

puntersarepeople

1/8/20 6:04pm

Sorry. You’re really not making sense in this thread. And I’m a BYU fan.

Blue Mountains

1/8/20 9:27pm

Not my fault you can’t follow 😉

puntersarepeople

1/8/20 9:49pm

Probably true

Blue Mountains

1/8/20 9:57pm

Utah has three guys who have thrown passes in games, just like the standard

Scratch

1/8/20 3:49pm

Depth was mentioned in the post I commented on

puntersarepeople

1/8/20 4:07pm

As was USC, Tennessee, Wisconson...

Refugee

1/8/20 2:10pm

That's the problem. Utah will take ANYBODY despite criminal history or GPA.

chazen

1/8/20 2:15pm

It's amazing that the NCAA lets Utah get around minimum qualifying requirements.

Scratch

1/8/20 2:33pm

Do they all do the work themselves?

1CougFan

1/8/20 3:33pm

No, sometimes they have them take byu correspondence classes.

BayUte

1/8/20 4:09pm

That's how you guys got Star Lotulelei and a bazillion other players. Star

chazen

1/8/20 11:22pm

Give it up already. Out of high school he couldn’t go ANYWHERE because he didn’t

Scratch

1/9/20 12:01am

Star had 1 option out of HS. BYU as a nonqualifier. I am a little surprised

ALUF 1990

1/9/20 11:37am

No, because BYU wasn't Indy yet, so BYU was in the same boat as Utah at the time

Scratch

1/9/20 11:42am

signed USC & Tennessee

Sale

1/8/20 7:54pm

the good news is BYU starts 0-0, you know, undefeated

run26

1/8/20 1:17pm

Vegas will have us as dogs on paper.

westsidecoug

1/8/20 1:18pm

Nah.

BrobaFett

1/8/20 1:24pm

IF only it was that simple. Cuz if true, Utah never should have won a game in the 90s or 2000s based on that.

Turnpike Lane

1/8/20 1:47pm

Utah was a lot more talented in the 90's and 00's than you admit.

BrobaFett

1/8/20 2:05pm

No, I was just doing the same eval you did. Utah had talent, BYU had more back then overall. But still lost games.

Turnpike Lane

1/8/20 2:21pm

I don't understand your stance.

BrobaFett

1/8/20 3:49pm

????? 2000s Utah put more guys in the NFL. 1990s about equal. Utah went

ALUF 1990

1/9/20 1:11pm

Rising’s never played. SC guy didn’t but play at Utah. Vastly overrated the QBs

puntersarepeople

1/8/20 3:27pm

When was the last time BYU had a Qb throw for 3,000 yards and 27 TD's?

BrobaFett

1/8/20 3:52pm

And our backup was offered a scholarship there.

puntersarepeople

1/8/20 4:13pm

Epps was a HS All American at Mater Dei. He offsets a talented freshman CB for

puntersarepeople

1/8/20 4:16pm

Epps? The guy with offers from BYU and a few of the dregs of the MWC will

Scratch

1/8/20 4:23pm

Oregon offered him.

puntersarepeople

1/8/20 5:58pm

After his sophomore year. And then stopped recruiting him shortly thereafter

Scratch

1/8/20 6:33pm

MWC recruit is an inaccurate judgement. Most recruiters said a PAC12 team would

puntersarepeople

1/8/20 9:15pm

Yep. Fantastic high school receiver.

Scratch

1/8/20 9:50pm

And much better recruit than you give him credit for

puntersarepeople

1/8/20 10:02pm

I'm glad you're better at evaluating talent than D-1 coaches. And I do think

Scratch

1/8/20 10:15pm

And yes, Oregon smoked Utah

puntersarepeople

1/8/20 6:04pm

Great post dripping with arrogance and condescencion

teancum

1/9/20 10:03am

Nah, Buffet would be less condescending towards his plumber than this guy's post

OlanchoCoug

1/9/20 11:52am

BYU has some very good TEs behind bushman so

1CougFan

1/9/20 12:11pm

Nope. Whittingham is Utah’s coach and we have Kalani.

arizonacougarfan

1/8/20 1:29pm

And BYU has too many fans like this.

Benfica1

1/8/20 1:54pm

Just the truth there

wilsdad

1/8/20 6:50pm

Kalani is contracted by Utah to lose, so BYU loses

YSeattle

1/8/20 1:34pm

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 9 times in a row, shame on me.

Super Chicken

1/8/20 1:41pm

On paper, BYU should have split the decade with wins vs. the yewties. But . . . .

lightmann

1/8/20 1:46pm

That highly graded OL couldn't be trusted to get a 3rd and 2 push.

Ash

1/8/20 1:51pm

Completely agree. On third and short, throughout the year,

D.T. Survivor

1/8/20 8:05pm

I think you may have missed the news about their grad transfer QB coming in

dchandle15

1/8/20 2:11pm

It’ll Ben his first game playing for Utah. And he’s not duel threat. He may not

puntersarepeople

1/8/20 3:29pm

Will need to get pressure on him.

1CougFan

1/8/20 3:37pm

Good points, go ahead and expect to lose.

Heath Squashwell

1/8/20 2:28pm

I hope you're right, but

B Blue

1/8/20 5:42pm

After 9 strait loses, I'll believe IF/when I see it...

AntiSNOT

1/8/20 7:16pm

I think you represent a hefty segment of the fanbase in Utah.

wilsdad

1/8/20 8:20pm

Don’t worry, we’ll find a way like we always do.

D.T. Survivor

1/8/20 8:44pm

Better chance than being up by 20 in the 3rd Q?

2FarGone

1/8/20 9:37pm

Impossible. BYU should start out 2-2

kapcreations

1/8/20 11:05pm

I lost you at “ BYU is returning one of the highest pff graded O-Lines”

coldcoug

1/9/20 12:22am

I agree. I thought the O-line underperformed. Though I know they had good times

IntelCougar

1/9/20 8:13am

On paper, how many BYU players would start at Utah??? 3 or 4?

ALUF 1990

1/9/20 6:02am

kafusi, lb.

jwf

1/9/20 7:34am

Yep, agree here. In Utah's D, I would think Lloyd and Kaufusi would start at LB.

Scratch

1/9/20 8:47am

Bushman wouldn’t start, assuming 1 TE starter. He’d play a lot, rotating with

Scratch

1/9/20 7:45am

More than you'd admit. I don't coach at BYU/uu, so I don't see them daily to

Benfica1

1/9/20 8:09am

Christensen

puntersarepeople

1/9/20 3:03pm

If Zach Wilson is our starting quarterback next year we will not beat Utah

The Maestro

1/9/20 9:14am

Throwing Pick Six will not ever help you win. The Turn Overs kill BYU each year

CT98

1/9/20 10:17am

RE: On paper, BYU should start out next season 1-0

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