Use class rank as another option

Mar 14, 2018
7:57:46pm

plymouth Walk-on

This wouldn't totally solve the problem of just being in a harder school, but it would solve the grade inflation of many HS

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Since this is what I do for a living...

Six Foot Seven

3/9/18 7:58am

I really think the essays are the differentiator here, too

2FarGone

3/9/18 8:05am

Reminds me of conversations my friends and I have had with teachers.

PJMort

3/9/18 8:20am

I had the exact conversation recently for my daughter

2FarGone

3/9/18 8:24am

For many teachers they just wind up thinking..

PJMort

3/9/18 8:30am

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cvd6262

3/9/18 8:51am

What would you want him to be doing instead of reading? Great use of time imo.

Capricious Cougar

3/9/18 9:34am

Sadly, most schools and teachers would rather insist on such a child

panguitch

3/9/18 9:43am

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cvd6262

3/9/18 10:22am

You are exactly right. We work really hard trying to help one of our son's teachers challenge him

CDV

3/9/18 11:35am

I understand what you are saying, but idk what that would look like in pratical

Capricious Cougar

3/9/18 11:46am

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cvd6262

3/9/18 12:06pm

Good teachers have differented graduated levels of material for each concept they teach. They teach similar concepts

CDV

3/9/18 5:19pm

My SIL was the same way. She read Harry Potter in 1st grade. The teacher told

ChiCityCoug

3/9/18 9:42am

I was in a meeting where President Worthen mentioned that they are interested in

cougarbob137

3/9/18 10:18am

I have an question with the GPA point you made. There is a big

ChiCityCoug

3/9/18 8:11am

Universities have devalued ACT/SAT because Whites and Asians do better on them

jrob30

3/9/18 8:20am

RE: I have an question with the GPA point you made. There is a big

Six Foot Seven

3/9/18 8:21am

GPA is so inconsistent though. My kids have gone to schools in 4 states and the

bag

3/9/18 8:42am

But there is a magic bullet that is submitted by every school with every

Six Foot Seven

3/9/18 8:54am

I do understand this. I was fortunate to grow up in a place that had a really

ChiCityCoug

3/9/18 9:04am

Comparing kids around the world is where the standardized tests come in.

Six Foot Seven

3/9/18 9:15am

I get it, I just wish there was a better way to compare kids. I don't want

ChiCityCoug

3/9/18 9:20am

That makes sense. But how do they evaluate a student that gets all/almost all

bag

3/9/18 9:20am

Is there a reason why BYU doesn't take the weighted GPAs? Do other schools not

ChiCityCoug

3/9/18 9:23am

RE: Is there a reason why BYU doesn't take the weighted GPAs? Do other schools

allystake

3/9/18 11:07am

Good point. Didn’t think of that.

ChiCityCoug

3/9/18 11:12am

Because every school treats weighted classes differently and has a different

BYUMizzou

3/9/18 11:14am

I wasn’t aware of this either. Makes sense now.

ChiCityCoug

3/9/18 12:13pm

Not a good solution

plymouth

3/14/18 7:55pm

Experienced something very similar in my growing up years one

ChiCityCoug

3/9/18 9:05am

As a teacher I can say the way grades are assigned varies hugely even between

Capricious Cougar

3/9/18 9:19am

Grading scales are inconsistent as well, which directly effects GPA

sTcCoug

3/9/18 9:45am

I know a teacher that gives an A, no matter what.

BYUALWAYSNUM1

3/9/18 8:13pm

The former most popular professor at BYU did that, too. Amazing that 1000s

Monomachos

3/9/18 8:18pm

Grades don't measure learning. People think they do, but usually they don't.

Ssebo

3/9/18 8:31pm

Ideally they would, and in some cases they do, but for many cases I agree with

Monomachos

3/10/18 9:24am

good grades measure a person's willingness/interest/capability of getting good grades. This makes them a useful tool in

HarlemCoug

3/10/18 9:49am

Does it?

BYUALWAYSNUM1

3/10/18 11:30am

I would describe it as "useful with significant limitations"

buffgato

3/10/18 12:36pm

of course grades are a useful tool. of course they are.

HarlemCoug

3/10/18 2:59pm

Unless they reflect teachers who give out mostly A grades in any case or

Monomachos

3/10/18 2:45pm

Use class rank as another option

plymouth

3/14/18 7:57pm

I can't imagine having to read all those essays

Gustav

3/9/18 8:17am

Do you feel that universities are seeing GPAs are more of a "grit" factor?

TheLoneCougar

3/9/18 8:30am

UFI— University of Fully Invested. Mascot— the Broncos.

PJMort

3/9/18 8:34am

RE: UFI— University of Fully Invested. Mascot— the Broncos.

TheLoneCougar

3/9/18 8:58am

Yes, I actually work at the first institution to include a psychographic measure

Six Foot Seven

3/9/18 8:56am

My son got waitlisted at Cal Poly SLO

Turd Ferguson

3/9/18 9:17am

Funny story about SLO

Six Foot Seven

3/9/18 9:21am

yeah it is pretty nice. small community too. great place

Turd Ferguson

3/9/18 9:27am

So Bronco was right all along... even students now have to recruit BYU. Ha!

rockhound

3/9/18 8:48am

I never had to go through any of this at USU. It is crazy to me.

Ssebo

3/9/18 9:34am

Same experience here.

ditch

3/9/18 12:23pm

Amen. I'm a BYU guy, but if my kid doesn't get in or doesn't want to go to BYU

cougarbob137

3/9/18 4:36pm

Disagree somewhat on the GPA - my kids have lots of stories of how easy it was

Monomachos

3/9/18 10:16am

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cvd6262

3/9/18 10:25am

Yep, one C.

Six Foot Seven

3/9/18 10:32am

Bigger question: how does one use any of the usual criteria to predict success?

Monomachos

3/9/18 11:11am

Case in point on grades,

Paco

3/9/18 11:16am

I had a history teacher who only gave 1 A, 1 A-, 1 B+, 1 B, 1 B-, and most

Monomachos

3/9/18 12:11pm

They are also most likely outliers.

TheLoneCougar

3/9/18 12:25pm

Yes, but they might explain the random single low grade.

Monomachos

3/9/18 5:02pm

One C, you're being light. I know a couple of

Archaea

3/9/18 5:33pm

Heard another one today: kid in my ward is getting 30 points

Monomachos

3/14/18 9:31pm

RE: Demonstrated Insight is a tough task

05COUG

3/9/18 10:32am

I think that's just a natural consequence of a growing population

buffgato

3/9/18 11:01am

I think we are seeing that everywhere we turn. Kids have to be ready

rockhound

3/9/18 4:51pm

(Glad Six Foot Seven didn't review my kid's application, one C found therein)

RenoCoug

3/9/18 4:29pm

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