It seems we've had more honor code / compliance / legal issues with the LDS guys

May 25, 2020
10:44:21am

Jesse Pinkman All-American

between football and basketball lately than the non-LDS guys. I don't think Pope is another Crowton who doesn't understand honor code implications.

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Will mark popes teams have less LDS players on them than his predecessors?

buckeyecougarguy

5/25/20 10:39am

It seems we've had more honor code / compliance / legal issues with the LDS guys

Jesse Pinkman

5/25/20 10:44am

Yeah we should stop recruiting so many of those guys

icecougar

5/25/20 12:32pm

RE: It seems we've had more honor code / compliance / legal issues with the LDS

buckeyecougarguy

5/25/20 2:32pm

The high school kids will typically be LDS. The transfers won't be as often.

dYrtbYkerYder

5/25/20 10:46am

I’m a hack by thiiiis much.

Soupie

5/25/20 10:47am

RE: I’m a hack by thiiiis much.

icecougar

5/25/20 1:34pm

Only true of transfers. Freshman commits are all mission guys.

Soupie

5/25/20 10:47am

Fewer, you buckeye scallywag! But probably yes.

Lip Gallagher

5/25/20 1:11pm

RE: Fewer, you buckeye scallywag! But probably yes.

buckeyecougarguy

5/25/20 2:44pm

There’s no quota

puntersarepeople

5/25/20 1:21pm

That seems to be the formula. Is it because they think non members couldn’t last

buckeyecougarguy

5/25/20 2:44pm

Probably easier to recruit/evaluate as a transfer

puntersarepeople

5/25/20 7:39pm

The VB team has done well in attracting and maintaining top non-LDS players

Run-DMT

5/25/20 1:50pm

VB is top 5 team and only 50+ teams in Div I/II. They can go after the top

gp232

5/25/20 3:13pm

Non-LDS guys mean winning. There’s only one Mormon Jimmer every 1,000 year. I

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 1:52pm

Danny Ainge, Fred Roberts, Mel Hutchins, Kresimir Cosic, Shawn Bradley,

LV Mike

5/25/20 2:05pm

I agree with you but two of those guys weren’t LDS when they came to BYU

SingleStrapBackpack

5/25/20 2:25pm

None of those were Jimmers and nowhere near able to make us a contender

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 2:34pm

Danny was a Wooden winner - I'm pretty sure any & every team in the country

5thNephi

5/25/20 2:55pm

You’re missing the point. One great player every few decades isn’t gonna move

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 3:33pm

Then you’d think they’d win every year, right? B-ball has far more opportunities for a Cinderella.

Soupie

5/25/20 3:42pm

I didn't miss your point. I disagreed with you. Even if it's true that coach K

5thNephi

5/25/20 3:50pm

Agreed. The key isn’t to just not have members play

puntersarepeople

5/25/20 4:02pm

Agreed. But I think under Pope players like Seljaas, Knell & Nixon

5thNephi

5/25/20 4:12pm

Potentially

puntersarepeople

5/25/20 4:35pm

His roster would have to get loaded down w/ more talent

5thNephi

5/25/20 4:41pm

I like Tripple as well

puntersarepeople

5/25/20 4:46pm

Yeah, he's the Idaho kid I meant. The other one's

5thNephi

5/25/20 4:49pm

I’m 38 however you define young. Jimmer is the most electric College player in

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 10:25pm

Ainge didn’t have a three point line

puntersarepeople

5/25/20 10:27pm

I would take Ainge over any other BYU player except Cosic

dratax

5/25/20 11:13pm

Ainge was Jimmer x2, as a great all around player who had a great NBA career.

LV Mike

5/25/20 4:20pm

Ainge was before my time but I find it hard to believe anyone was more electric

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 7:35pm

Ainge was what Jimmer would have been without the Internet.

ArcticKat

5/25/20 8:22pm

That’s crazy I didn’t realize he was that good. I give Jimmer partial credit for

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 8:53pm

Yikes! You need to do some research & watch some highlights of Ainge. He not only lit up NCAA but played in NBA

Soupie

5/25/20 9:06pm

I knew he was gritty and fierce but there’s something about a slow white guy who

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 9:08pm

Oh sure. It's not a zero sum game. Both can be great but I'd not disrespect Ainge in any way.

Soupie

5/25/20 9:18pm

That’s fair. He’s done a ton of good for BYU’s brand too

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 9:21pm

And there’s a Haws or Toolson every two

puntersarepeople

5/25/20 2:31pm

And we’ve gone how deep in the tournament?

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 2:34pm

This year's team could've easily gone to the Sweet 16.

dYrtbYkerYder

5/25/20 2:51pm

Once every 10 years maybe making sweet 16 is your high watermark

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 3:32pm

Why would that be his high mark? Those weren't even Pope's recruits

5thNephi

5/25/20 4:36pm

It’s simply not plausible to think a bunch of white LDS kids can load the team

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 7:36pm

You're naïve about college ball. Bluebloods DON'T monopolize the tourney.

5thNephi

5/25/20 7:50pm

No you’re making my point. I believe in Pope and think BYU can get it done. Not

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 8:38pm

That hasn't been your only point, though. I don't think anyone's arguing w you

5thNephi

5/25/20 9:01pm

My only point in this is if we recruit only LDS guys we’re never going to be

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 9:13pm

Well then we still disagree. Cuz I believe we can be elite simply by landing

5thNephi

5/25/20 9:20pm

Yeah agree to disagree. I think if you put all the best all time LDS players on

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 9:29pm

Our very best all-time would be a very athletic team, bud.

5thNephi

5/25/20 9:32pm

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 9:32pm

Kresmir, Fred Roberts, Russ Larsen, Mika (we'll even leave Bradley & Yo out)

5thNephi

5/25/20 9:38pm

Travis Hansen and Ainge together

puntersarepeople

5/25/20 9:57pm

No dude you either don’t know BYU basketball that well or have some bias

puntersarepeople

5/25/20 9:56pm

I’m just saying those guys aren’t breezing past Duke etc. I do have a soft spot

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 10:06pm

You’re incorrect. A BYU all time team would be the best team in NCAA about

puntersarepeople

5/25/20 10:23pm

98/100 is a remarkable team. I have a great idea and I’m going to agree with you

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 10:38pm

Well there you are. Hello you. It's nice not to be judgmental, isn't it?

5thNephi

5/25/20 10:44pm

I think we should try to keep them out of the entire state if possible

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 10:48pm

Or there's that option too, I suppose.

5thNephi

5/25/20 10:59pm

You know I’m being sarcastic right??

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 11:05pm

Yeah, but to the wrong people. Who on this thread besides you is making that pt?

5thNephi

5/25/20 11:07pm

Nobody is. He’s set up a boogeyman that’s isn’t there and arguing with it

puntersarepeople

5/25/20 11:10pm

The OP?

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 11:11pm

Not really. He’s just worried a Crowton situation will happen

puntersarepeople

5/25/20 11:21pm

Fair. Not really a concern for me. Pope will run a tight ship and football

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 11:27pm

I guess maybe I got into your conversation mid-drift

5thNephi

5/25/20 11:25pm

Yeah you make some good points. As a non-mormon who went to BYU I can assure you

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 11:30pm

Might not be 90% but think it's still a fair point.

Soupie

5/25/20 11:33pm

Let’s just say I felt like I met every non-mormon graduate student from every

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 11:40pm

It’s certainly true that when their religion doesn’t explicitly require that the

puntersarepeople

5/25/20 11:48pm

Knew at least one about 3-4 yrs ago. None of us can guarantee that but fairly certain.

Soupie

5/25/20 11:58pm

I don’t think 90%+ is even close at all

puntersarepeople

5/25/20 11:40pm

From my experience it was. I did not meet one non-LDS person who kept the honor

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 11:42pm

Oh wait sorry I thought you said Mormons

puntersarepeople

5/25/20 11:45pm

I'd believe the football insider prob has a good feel for the high

5thNephi

5/25/20 11:49pm

Huh? Football insider?

puntersarepeople

5/25/20 11:52pm

I guess I mixed you up w another poster perhaps?

5thNephi

5/25/20 11:54pm

I’m no insider 😂😂

puntersarepeople

5/25/20 11:57pm

Coffee (& a wee bit of porn) were my only naughties — but even the coffee

5thNephi

5/26/20 12:10am

This is a waay off topic and a bit of a rant on my part but I always found

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 11:55pm

That’s a fair criticism. Think most of us demonize another person’s sins & tend to

Soupie

5/26/20 12:06am

You have an agenda and are putting words in my mouth

puntersarepeople

5/25/20 11:01pm

I’m not so many words you said we should stop focusing on non-LDS players

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 11:05pm

Bull. Link a post that says that.

puntersarepeople

5/25/20 11:09pm

That’s my B. I confused you with OP

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 11:13pm

I never said that’s the only thing you need

puntersarepeople

5/25/20 3:39pm

Huh? BYU will always have LDS kids but if we’re going to be elite they LDS kids

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 9:03pm

I completely disagree

puntersarepeople

5/25/20 9:35pm

Now throw in LDS guys we didn't get at BYU--- ie--Jackson & Parker. You'd have a very skilled, very athletic team there.

Soupie

5/25/20 9:48pm

If we think we can start out recruiting Duke I’m onboard

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 10:18pm

That wasn't the discussion though. We were talking about the hypothetical of getting all the best LDS players to BYU.

Soupie

5/25/20 10:23pm

I’ll give you the all-time team. BYU for the most part does get the best LDS

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 10:50pm

Those exceptions would make a pretty big difference added to the all-stars though.

Soupie

5/25/20 11:08pm

Mika left and anyone NBA ready which h wasn’t would too. Is your stance also

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 10:09pm

Mika would’ve been fantastic as a JR. Go watch his Zags highlights

puntersarepeople

5/25/20 10:17pm

I’m close to the Mika situation. He left because he saw it as a set number of

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 10:20pm

Yes but he left because he didn’t think he’d improve a lot and have team success

puntersarepeople

5/25/20 10:29pm

This is a bad take. There's a Mormon Jimmer every 30 years (Ainge), but there's

dYrtbYkerYder

5/25/20 2:50pm

And when has BYU ever been a powerhouse b-ball school in the last 100-500 years?

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 3:31pm

There was 1 non-LDS contributor on last year’s team that was a legit sweet 16

StantonMac

5/25/20 4:08pm

Yolie wasn’t initially

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 7:32pm

But he also grew up in Utah and was very familiar with the culture

StantonMac

5/25/20 7:39pm

That’s not the point. The point is about only recruiting LDS guys.

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 8:38pm

Who cares?

HiyaBuddy

5/25/20 4:54pm

Probably the church, the university, the athletic department, donors, the board

buckeyecougarguy

5/25/20 5:41pm

I don’t care about LDS kids. I’m not LDS and I went to BYU and I think your post

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 7:33pm

I think you need to reread not looking for offense

puntersarepeople

5/25/20 7:43pm

No it’s offensive. I loved 95% of the people I met at BYU but 5% were the same

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 7:54pm

here’s things I’m not saying

buckeyecougarguy

5/25/20 10:29pm

I just don’t think non-LDS guys were interested in Rose. Stylistically and hype

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 11:08pm

Those people only care to the point recruits & athletes follow the HC. I imagine they're thrilled to have non-members

Soupie

5/25/20 7:57pm

I agree with this. I was trying hard to not write a list of LDS players who got

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 8:13pm

When Kalani took over for Bronco, there was a battle cry from Kalani that he

Lance71

5/25/20 8:26pm

Read closely, those aren't mutually exclusive statements. But the emphases are a

5thNephi

5/25/20 9:03pm

Fair point here. I think Broncos teams were better because of some of the

ChiTownCougarV2

5/25/20 11:15pm

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