The discussion is a bit more nuanced.

Nov 20, 2014
2:38:03pm

lawboy

The question was at what point will those firmly behind all Bronco does change their positions, if ever. What would it take? Because 5 years of average results is clearly not a tipping point for them. So what is.

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So, at what point is it Bronco's fault BYU is not excelling?

lawboy

11/20/14 1:57pm

Many never will question Bronco. They'll blame BYU for being BYU.

Grit for Brains

11/20/14 2:01pm

I often get that label, even though I do think he is responsible for some of it

binghammer

11/20/14 2:04pm

He should not get fired after this year, but

lawboy

11/20/14 2:13pm

I just look at the point he had all of his recruits and his coaches...

kotacoug

11/20/14 2:01pm

As a coach...

Heinz57

11/20/14 2:01pm

I think Bronco has done a good job of playing the chess game and...

icecougar

11/20/14 8:24pm

I want to know what people think changed from 2009 to 2010 with Bronco

binghammer

11/20/14 2:03pm

Defense is giving it a run for its money this year

CoopDizz

11/20/14 2:05pm

I think we could have been 10-0 potentially if Taysom were 100%

binghammer

11/20/14 2:07pm

Same goes for a D with Ziggy, KVN, Kav, and Tree

CoopDizz

11/20/14 2:08pm

Yeah, add in 4 guys who were either captains or PRO's on D, sure

binghammer

11/20/14 2:10pm

What does that have to do with the OP?

CoopDizz

11/20/14 2:20pm

I disagree, I think it is everything

binghammer

11/20/14 2:23pm

That's not even a response to what I said

CoopDizz

11/20/14 2:24pm

I didn't read your entire post. Just the second line.

binghammer

11/20/14 2:29pm

Boise St scored 55 pts

icecougar

11/20/14 9:24pm

Buck stops with the Bronco

Heinz57

11/20/14 2:07pm

I agree, but only because he is the only one the admin has any control over

binghammer

11/20/14 2:08pm

We are talking football, not administrative

Heinz57

11/20/14 2:12pm

I agree, I just don't think a head coach has as much control over the team

binghammer

11/20/14 2:13pm

If that is the case...

Heinz57

11/20/14 2:15pm

lol, no, don't try and change the subject

binghammer

11/20/14 2:26pm

What's the subject...

Smoke Monster

11/20/14 2:37pm

Fine with 500k...

Heinz57

11/20/14 3:07pm

No, that 25% counts for 25%, it can be a big difference

binghammer

11/20/14 3:32pm

LOL... but 25% is still 25%...

Smoke Monster

11/20/14 3:41pm

I didn't...

Heinz57

11/20/14 3:06pm

It has been 5 years of mediocre results. Next year is likely another 6-8 win

Mikey

11/20/14 2:21pm

I wouldn't call the last 5 years mediocre, even this year BYU is rated in the

binghammer

11/20/14 2:28pm

Well, obviously we have different standards, which is why we have a different

Mikey

11/20/14 2:35pm

Based upon program expectations set by Bronco himself, they're mediocre

lawboy

11/20/14 2:47pm

The fact that we are having this conversation over the record we have this year

binghammer

11/20/14 3:33pm

And with that is also...

Heinz57

11/20/14 4:38pm

I choose "dump"

Mikey

11/20/14 4:40pm

This is why Bronco will be safe here for a long while...because long term

sundance

11/20/14 5:39pm

This is incorrect. Bronco has taken extreme heat this season, and so has the

CalGTR

11/20/14 5:48pm

and don't continually repeat the same mistakes over and over...

icecougar

11/20/14 9:28pm

2010 is when Bronco and crew decided to go with a two QB system that is still

wabluecoug

11/20/14 2:07pm

Recruiting

lawboy

11/20/14 2:07pm

I don't agree, I think recruiting has been pretty good

binghammer

11/20/14 2:12pm

Recruiting has been fine everywhere except the lines

CoopDizz

11/20/14 2:23pm

Whitt has had a similar problem recruiting and developing the QB position...

icecougar

11/20/14 9:20pm

Go sit at the Wilk for an hour and think about what you just wrote. Just look at

ToasterChive

11/20/14 2:05pm

it's ALWAYS up to the millionaire in the mix to take charge, to take

Tsisquan

11/20/14 2:15pm

Are we really arguing over who is responsible for the performance of the team?

CalGTR

11/20/14 2:30pm

The discussion is a bit more nuanced.

lawboy

11/20/14 2:38pm

Ah, but that's not what you asked. You've now exposed your agenda.

CalGTR

11/20/14 2:59pm

First off, I have no agenda.

lawboy

11/20/14 3:54pm

Well, you said a lot of things, didn't you? Notice that the question you posted,

CalGTR

11/20/14 5:03pm

You're being obtuse

lawboy

11/20/14 6:47pm

Not being obtuse, I just don't accept the underlying premise of your question.

CalGTR

11/20/14 11:26pm

Wow, you sure read a lot between the lines and I would argue

sah22

11/20/14 9:02pm

I think we have two attorneys duking it out on CB. Go Lawboy!

BYUTE59

11/20/14 7:26pm

Martzens recruiting success one of the few bright spots the past couple of year

Bonoman

11/20/14 2:49pm

You can blame Bronco for

CasualFan

11/20/14 2:39pm

Where were Doug Scovil and Norm Chow OCs before they got the BYU job?

CoopDizz

11/20/14 2:45pm

What was BYU when those guys were hired?

CasualFan

11/20/14 2:47pm

It's an argument built on hot air and nothing more - faulty as all get out

CoopDizz

11/20/14 2:48pm

Chow was also a long-time QB coach

CasualFan

11/20/14 2:52pm

I'm saying BYU should hire the best guy for the job

CoopDizz

11/20/14 2:56pm

Ok. perhaps I should be more clear

CasualFan

11/20/14 2:58pm

You definitely want someone who has shown in some way that he can handle it

CoopDizz

11/20/14 3:18pm

right. Example: Anae vs Doman

icecougar

11/21/14 2:08pm

Scovil started coaching in the early 50's and coached in the NFL before BYU...

icecougar

11/20/14 9:40pm

Read all the way to the end of the conversation before you respond

CoopDizz

11/21/14 8:04am

yes, it's confusing...

icecougar

11/21/14 2:26pm

It's hard to credit Bronco for Taysom Hill when even he admits he fell to BYU.

Mantis Mutu

11/20/14 2:47pm

Yeah, but he didn't fall to Utah or UCLA or

CasualFan

11/20/14 2:50pm

After a 2 yr mish, I'm not sure he was high enough on anyone's radar

Mantis Mutu

11/20/14 2:56pm

Did he come because it was BYU, or because of Bronco

HawkeyeCoug

11/20/14 3:29pm

likely because it was BYU, same as with Harvey Langi...

icecougar

11/20/14 9:42pm

Bronco is failing at developing and preparing the team IMO

Jeffe

11/20/14 3:48pm

Guessing with next years schedule ....

bluegato

11/20/14 4:25pm

we'll never know...

icecougar

11/20/14 9:44pm

At a minimum, when his team's consisted of his own recruits.

Real Men Wear Blue

11/20/14 4:54pm

RE: 8-4 against last year's schedule was respectable. If Bronco is so bad, in

Coogar2

11/20/14 6:14pm

If things really go south like they did when Crowton was HC

CougarsFanSince80s

11/20/14 10:20pm

sorry this post was meant to be in reply to the original poster

CougarsFanSince80s

11/20/14 10:33pm

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