I read it as her saying that people in Utah can have an open and productive

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Mar 28, 2017
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dialogue about helping the poor because the race card is essentially off the table.

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Outside my BYU sojourn, I don't plan on living in Utah again, but this article

veddarhall

3/28/17 8:54am

Never thought I would either but here we are right smack in the middle of Utah Co. Never know.

soupie

3/28/17 9:13am

Same with us. Almost 21 years now, never thought it would happen...

Florwood

3/28/17 9:27am

I never thought I would either, and so far, so good.

chilango

3/28/17 9:40am

Great article, thanks for sharing.

ForzaPuma

3/28/17 9:19am

Utah is extremely hard to get proper compensation for Medical professionals

byu1

3/28/17 9:49am

I value your work at about a nickel. So feel free to stay away.

Sid Vicious

3/28/17 9:54am

Define "proper compensation". Most would say it is what the market says it is.

Turnpike Lane

3/28/17 9:59am

I didn't say there is no way to do very well there, but as a whole, certain

byu1

3/28/17 10:13am

Doctors in Utah do just fine

wapiti

3/29/17 9:36am

Agreed. Each time we make a concerted effort to return to Utah...

Tokolosh

3/28/17 10:57am

Have you considered trying essential oils?

CarolinaCoug

3/28/17 11:21am

Great article and love the way the author looks at the necessary aspect more objectively w/o the stereotypes.

soupie

3/28/17 9:54am

Also in Utah, upper class seem to still send their kids to public school.

rcbyufan

3/28/17 10:13am

That's a very good point. I grew up in the Boise area (so not Utah) but the same was true there.

soupie

3/28/17 10:15am

Cultural homogeneity and, yes, race, have a lot to do with that

hansel

3/28/17 11:08am

Could it be considered narrow-minded to think racial lines are the same as economic lines? I did a

soupie

3/28/17 11:22am

Fair point. Nonetheless, lower class kids get to interact with and model upper

rcbyufan

3/28/17 11:41am

Agreed

hansel

3/28/17 11:56am

I am actually surprised that the article was so fair to the Church, impressive

byu1

3/28/17 10:14am

good except it says upward mobility is because of racism and lack o black people

buckeyecougarguy

3/28/17 11:54am

I read it as her saying that people in Utah can have an open and productive

garyfan

3/28/17 8:58pm

and the race card is off the table because...

buckeyecougarguy

3/29/17 9:54am

You didnt read it, you skimmed it. It said other factors were more important

BostonCougar

3/28/17 8:59pm

must have because i dont remember it saying that. It mentioned several other

buckeyecougarguy

3/29/17 9:58am

Worth reading! A lot of the comments are positive as well

maxlds

3/28/17 12:32pm

things like this are what make cougarboard great. thx Veddarhall

rotorhead

3/28/17 5:59pm

She lost me when her liberal chant about "the church’s racist past" came out.

ugo1st

3/28/17 11:50pm

Racism card is way overused in society but the church ban was textbook racism

rcbyufan

3/29/17 7:38am

Exactly. The policy was explicitly racist. You can debate whether it was right

chilango

3/29/17 8:01am

meh. better to acknowledge it and move on. Members and non-members have

MormonThug

3/29/17 7:45am

Just as there were racist mistakes in the US generally.

soupie

3/29/17 8:05am

I don't think anyone debates that the US in general had major issues with racism

chilango

3/29/17 8:23am

Certainly true. We can't pretend it's stopped both in and out of this church on a less official basis however.

soupie

3/29/17 9:20am

Agree. The absence of formal policies doesn't mean that there wasn't/isn't very

chilango

3/29/17 9:41am

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