Ty Detmer (and I hate myself for saying this) has not proven to be a good OC yet

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Aug 6, 2017
2:18:40pm

SJS All-American

Ty Detmer (and I hate myself for saying this) has not proven to be a good OC yet

I'm writing it off to installing a new offense without TEs, having a below average passing QB, a patched together OL, etc. But I'm still kind of nervous.

Hope I'm wrong!

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Confess your unpopular BYU football opinion (#confessyourunpopularopinion is

8/6/17 1:44pm

Anae was a very, very good offensive coordinator

8/6/17 1:44pm

Anae part I was pretty good.

Crush4

8/6/17 1:47pm

Anae pt 1 had better talent to work with, IMO

DrKennethNoisewater

8/6/17 1:48pm

And a different scheme, and TE usage

Crush4

8/6/17 1:48pm

GFGH was awful, absolutely awful.

DrKennethNoisewater

8/6/17 1:50pm

The numbers don't reflect that it was awful

hammergm

8/6/17 4:07pm

The number don't tell the whole story. ESPECIALLY in this case.

8/8/17 2:03am

Coaches either improve over time or stay the same

formerly utesplease

8/6/17 7:50pm

Very good against mediocre teams. OK against good team. Downright poopie against very good to great teams.

foofcoug

8/6/17 5:33pm

To be fair that's how I describe your team

formerly utesplease

8/6/17 7:54pm

BYU doesn't belong in a P5 conference

DrKennethNoisewater

8/6/17 1:45pm

Why would you say that? Is it a moral stance or some quality you feel BYU doesn't possess? We all know your a BYU fan

SouthernBlueBlood

8/6/17 1:48pm

BYU isn't willing to spend the money necessary to compete or show that they belong.

DrKennethNoisewater

8/6/17 1:49pm

I disagree- I think other schools are willing to spend more than they should. There is a lot of things AD departments

SouthernBlueBlood

8/6/17 1:52pm

It's an arms race and BYU can't/won't compete

DrKennethNoisewater

8/6/17 1:53pm

TNT agrees with this

TNT

8/6/17 1:53pm

Many of these schools could face stark changes in fortune and find themselves owing millions without a revenue source

SouthernBlueBlood

8/6/17 1:55pm

And by the time that happens, if it happens, BYU will probably have dropped sports.

DrKennethNoisewater

8/6/17 1:58pm

I don't think you're wrong. Makes me sad though

SouthernBlueBlood

8/6/17 2:00pm

Law of diminishing returns is coming into play

wapiti

8/6/17 2:21pm

You sound like someone in an apartment jealous of the people in nice houses

DapperDan

8/6/17 2:08pm

*sniff*

TNT

8/6/17 2:33pm

Aren't we spending as much as 50% of P5 schools? Seems like we fit right in.

FMOCIE

8/6/17 2:29pm

You don't get invited to P5 by modeling yourself after Washington St

DapperDan

8/6/17 2:42pm

Utah got in by spending less than BYU

CNN is Fake News

8/6/17 7:22pm

Utah got in by not being a Mormon school

Fetchin Fetcher

8/6/17 7:37pm

You do realize dozens of P5 schools are in debt & spends more than makes right?

Y4LYFE

8/6/17 3:57pm

It's weird, but I tend to agree with this. It seems like the football is fifth doesn't come from Bronco, but from the

TyPower2016

8/6/17 4:09pm

Couldn't agree more. Until the church decides to spend some real money we'll stay a lowly independent

Fetchin Fetcher

8/6/17 1:48pm

What are they going to spend money on? You have great facilities at BYU.

tebowned

8/6/17 2:01pm

Count me puzzled as well

towerman

8/6/17 2:09pm

This is a football thread. Not baseball and basketball facility thread.

Fetchin Fetcher

8/6/17 2:09pm

I definitely think we should increase coach pay.

tebowned

8/6/17 2:39pm

But somehow they don't.

HenderCoug

8/6/17 4:44pm

We're not even close to what constitutes "great" these days. Our facilities are

The Dude Abides

8/6/17 10:06pm

Our facilities are better than a whole lot of P5. And it's been done without P5 subsidy. Moreover, we have better

8/7/17 9:59pm

See I don't get that POV either...

CoachSpeak

8/6/17 2:22pm

We most definitely do not have "as nice of facilities as anyone".

The Dude Abides

8/6/17 10:33pm

Well I have just this summer toured....

CoachSpeak

8/7/17 8:01am

Probably not. But he does like to throw out blanket statements.

slatecoug

8/7/17 8:10am

We toured Utah's back in June....

CoachSpeak

8/7/17 8:22am

I have toured both and I guess I just disagree with you. Utah's offices and

The Dude Abides

8/7/17 4:14pm

I laughed when you said their Stadium is better than ours.

slatecoug

8/8/17 1:37am

Michigan holds 107,000+ and its a piece of crap. Not saying Les is a piece of

Rise as Utes

8/8/17 9:10am

Actually it is your reasoning that is flawed.

slatecoug

8/8/17 2:13pm

BYU is not a bucket list stadium regardless of backdrop.

Rise as Utes

8/8/17 2:34pm

Seeing how your biased opinion doesn't matter, but ESPN commentators disagree...

slatecoug

8/20/17 11:47pm

BTW, didn't you just get done saying Michigan's stadium is a dump?

slatecoug

8/20/17 11:49pm

Our stadium is bigger. We have a great backdrop. Theirs is much, much nicer.

The Dude Abides

8/8/17 1:14pm

In your opinion, not mine.

slatecoug

8/8/17 2:05pm

I don't agree....

CoachSpeak

8/9/17 8:43am

You can park anywhere on 4th south or downtown. We have a trax stop right

Rise as Utes

8/9/17 8:53am

I agree about the bathrooms. That West concourse one is especially nice! But in all seriousness...

Roko's Basilisk

8/9/17 9:22am

Like I said, we have a good setting and it's bigger. Theirs is nicer and any

The Dude Abides

8/9/17 9:03am

RES feels jv in comparison. Other than suites, LES wins every other possible category

MaxxPower

8/9/17 10:10pm

So, what money do you suggest "the Church" spend on BYU Football?

Skysthelimit

8/6/17 4:19pm

But schools like Texss Tech and Iowa St do?

Kerbouchard

8/6/17 2:51pm

RE: Confess your unpopular BYU football opinion (#confessyourunpopularopinion is

Fetchin Fetcher

8/6/17 1:47pm

That was forever ago. And I missed it.

8/6/17 1:47pm

BYU being in a P5 conference would only mildly-moderately improve recruiting

TNT

8/6/17 1:48pm

This is true

Little Britches

8/6/17 4:00pm

Step further, being in a P5 Conference wouldn't improve recruiting at all

gww687

8/6/17 4:43pm

Even though we are both speculating, I strongly disagree with you.

cougarnerd

8/6/17 5:08pm

And I would have no problem getting into a P5 and being proven wrong

gww687

8/8/17 2:20pm

BYU fans are just as annoying as Utah fans.

The Dude Abides

8/6/17 1:48pm

Hmmm. Almost agreed with you and then a flood of memories of obnoxious ute fan experiences

Zach Morris

8/6/17 1:57pm

I agree, just a different kind of annoying

BigTD

8/6/17 7:23pm

Exactly

Holy Driver

8/6/17 7:56pm

BYU will drop football in the next 30 years

Noni Fruit

8/6/17 1:48pm

10 to 15.

Iman23

8/6/17 1:57pm

Not just BYU. Big time college football won't exist in 20 years. Probably less

jbonita

8/6/17 2:03pm

Too soon it'll be 30-50 but by 20 it will drop off significantly

GeauxCougs

8/6/17 2:12pm

I think 20 is optimistic for big time football. I think the next round of contra

jbonita

8/6/17 2:17pm

My opinions are probably only unpopular with Ute fans.

Dixie's Red Rocks

8/6/17 1:48pm

I just go to the games for fun. I don't get super sad if we lose

v1k0u6

8/6/17 1:48pm

Same here. I get pretty pumped if we win

8/6/17 3:48pm

I HATE our stupid marching band half-time. Hate, hate, hate. Double hate. Is that unpopular?

Santos L. Halper

8/6/17 1:48pm

Half time??! Our pregame is what is the disaster

OC Coug

8/6/17 2:02pm

They both need a serious overhaul.

Santos L. Halper

8/6/17 2:36pm

It would be helpful if we could actually hear them play on the field. The last

BYUBandfan

8/7/17 11:05am

All marching bands are a waste of money and super lame

TCuz

8/6/17 2:06pm

There's room for non-athlete students to participate and help create atmosphere.

8/6/17 2:08pm

Marching band fight songs are an integral piece of college football.

Seaward

8/6/17 2:21pm

I guess fight songs are cool. Uniforms are horrible, halftime shows are worse

TCuz

8/6/17 2:29pm

The CFB experience is like no other. So many things combine to make it special.

8/6/17 2:58pm

Not sure about scholarships, but 20 years ago they had "talent awards"

BYUBandfan

8/9/17 8:51am

I've changed my opinion on marching bands...

CoachSpeak

8/6/17 3:03pm

True, but I also can't think of anything I would like.

8/6/17 3:15pm

ESPN highlights, scores from other games going on, and we used to do fan competitions - like

Santos L. Halper

8/6/17 3:27pm

Who cares what happens at halftime? Go get a brownie and use the restroom.

Paco

8/6/17 3:35pm

Oh man, last year's half time show was embarrassing

BigTD

8/6/17 7:24pm

Max Hall was BYU's best QB since Ty Detmer

Triznaynay

8/6/17 1:49pm

You spelled John Beck wrong.

8/6/17 7:21pm

Pretty sure John Beck is the only BYU Qb to...

CNN is Fake News

8/6/17 7:24pm

Exactly. Max Hall > Jo. Beck

Triznaynay

8/6/17 7:25pm

Max loves me.

CNN is Fake News

8/6/17 7:30pm

I am totally on board with this. His short and mid game was sooooo ON

Thundergun Express

8/7/17 3:24pm

I never really liked Austin Collie

Triznaynay

8/6/17 1:49pm

Did you respect him though?

TNT

8/6/17 1:50pm

Yeah, he was SO good. Just couldn't ever really like him.

Triznaynay

8/6/17 1:54pm

TNT can understand that

TNT

8/6/17 2:03pm

Same. He struck me as a tool. A tool I'm glad played for us.

Dahlerbill

8/6/17 1:58pm

Collie is one of my all-time favorites. We were fortunate to have him

daki

8/6/17 2:50pm

I agree with your second statement.

Triznaynay

8/6/17 6:38pm

BYU and Utah are pretty much even teams.

8/6/17 1:50pm

Sagarin ranks since independence

Coop

8/6/17 1:56pm

Higher is better?

SouthernBlueBlood

8/6/17 2:01pm

Pretty much the same is pretty much the same

Coop

8/6/17 2:02pm

My sarcasm needs work

SouthernBlueBlood

8/6/17 2:05pm

Agree. We need to get some wins though

daki

8/6/17 2:53pm

2J and Holliday were both overrated coaches.

8/6/17 1:50pm

One thing that made Holladay better was the recruits he brought in

D.T. Survivor

8/6/17 3:09pm

I looked Holliday more than I liked Cahoon 1.0. hopefully Cahoon does better

crazY

8/6/17 3:57pm

Anae part 2 was really good as well.

8/6/17 1:51pm

HOW DARE YOU. THIS IS AN IRREVERSIBLE IGNORE!

TNT

8/6/17 1:52pm

Finally.

8/6/17 1:52pm

The honor code doesn't hinder us as much as people want to believe.

Fetchin Fetcher

8/6/17 1:53pm

RE: The honor code doesn't hinder us as much as people want to believe.

TNT

8/6/17 1:55pm

This is my opinion, too...and very unpopular here.

BYUHgrad

8/6/17 5:12pm

Ben Cahoon has yet to impress me as a receiver coach.

Seaward

8/6/17 1:53pm

Cahoon lacks the ability to coach WRs to play with physicality

Sir_Ten

8/6/17 4:28pm

I have agreed with this. He's the one guy who I felt was a down grade. I really wish we'd ponied up for margin hooks

MaxxPower

8/6/17 6:45pm

Bronco has a better defensive mind than anyone on our current staff

Ulysses14

8/6/17 1:53pm

I don't think people understand what "unpopular" means

cougarnerd

8/6/17 1:56pm

You think most people agree with that?

Ulysses14

8/6/17 1:58pm

I do. Bronco is a defensive guru and most people know that.

cougarnerd

8/6/17 2:00pm

A popular thought though unrealistic was a new HC and Bronco just DC

SouthernBlueBlood

8/6/17 2:03pm

...when he was motivated.

icecougar

8/7/17 4:39pm

Kalani may very well be a better coach than Bronco, but we have no evidence for

8/6/17 1:55pm

For the fans, kalani is more likeable.

lightmann

8/6/17 6:03pm

Not for all fans

coolblue

8/7/17 6:57am

I don't want the church to spend as much money as DrKen & Fetch want

ColoSpgs

8/6/17 1:55pm

If the Church doesn't want to spend P5 money to compete with P5 schools, we should just relegate ourselves to a G5

DrKennethNoisewater

8/6/17 1:56pm

If they're going to talk the talk, they need to walk the walk. Right now they're

DapperDan

8/6/17 2:12pm

Where exactly is BYU failing to spend?

wapiti

8/6/17 2:27pm

On players

SJS

8/6/17 2:28pm

Coaching staff, for one

DrKennethNoisewater

8/6/17 2:29pm

Please continue.

wapiti

8/6/17 2:31pm

Because of pay, coaches don't see BYU as a destination school but rather a launching point.

DrKennethNoisewater

8/6/17 2:35pm

Does that explain the rampant turnover in our coaching ranks????

HenderCoug

8/6/17 3:32pm

LOL. What other claims do you want to make up?

wapiti

8/6/17 4:32pm

Facilities.

The Dude Abides

8/6/17 5:01pm

I've never heard someone credibly say BYU lacks P5 facilities.

wapiti

8/6/17 10:05pm

"Everything we need". Won't argue that. It's not even close to what schools

The Dude Abides

8/6/17 11:17pm

I live in Stillwater, OK and BYU has far nicer facilities than OK St. BYU has

8/6/17 11:12pm

That's great. I live in Salt Lake City and there is a school here that has nicer

The Dude Abides

8/6/17 11:21pm

There is no competitive reason to get caught up in the facilities arms race

wapiti

8/7/17 12:10am

G5 better than indy? Good example of unpopular opinion. I totally disagree.

Squire

8/7/17 11:21am

How much do you want them to spend? Better yet, why don't you tell me how much I want them to spend?

Fetchin Fetcher

8/6/17 1:59pm

BYU and the athletic department care more about winning than you do.

8/6/17 1:56pm

Crowton should not have been fired without

bigbluecougar

8/6/17 1:56pm

We came close to keeping Crowton another year. If Payne hits the FG to beat BSU

CoogsWin

8/6/17 4:03pm

Yes, but only a year. Thanks to the problems in the program, Crowton's goose

BeardedSpock

8/6/17 7:33pm

Crowton needed to go

hammergm

8/6/17 8:33pm

LES would be much better without the band.

8/6/17 1:57pm

1984 should have an asterisk next to it.

BlueFrog

8/6/17 1:57pm

*Greatest team of all time, not just 1984 NC

ColoSpgs

8/6/17 1:59pm

Thumbs down because to me an asterisk means something illegal

seco03

8/6/17 1:59pm

Yep. It's not like anyone voting was forced or told to vote BYU #1 like the old

rainorsnow

8/6/17 2:04pm

Wow. I'm thinking you weren't alive (or sports conscious) in 1984

gwalker

8/6/17 2:35pm

Royal blue sucks.

Tortillero

8/6/17 1:58pm

Bring back the bibs!!!

Ulysses14

8/6/17 1:59pm

RE: Bring back the bibs!!!

Fetchin Fetcher

8/6/17 2:01pm

RE: Bring back the bibs!!!

DrKennethNoisewater

8/6/17 2:02pm

RE: Bring back the bibs!!!

Martin Van Nostrand

8/6/17 2:09pm

Chris Hill is legitimately an arrogant and bad person. I don't necessarily

8/6/17 2:00pm

What Emery did was classless and what Coach K did was childish.

Rise as Utes

8/6/17 3:02pm

Yep, almost as classless as Brandon Taylor elbowing Nick Emery in the head earlier in the game.

slatecoug

8/6/17 9:25pm

2004-2017 Utah has been the better football program.

Zach Morris

8/6/17 2:01pm

I don't think that's an unpopular opinion at all, it's pretty factual actually

Duke Silver

8/6/17 2:08pm

Do a poll. I'd be surprised if less than 70% of CBer's thought byu was the better program.

Zach Morris

8/6/17 2:16pm

From 04 until today? Head to head record, team accomplishments, recruiting class

Duke Silver

8/6/17 2:44pm

So... Ocho Cuatro for one?

Zach Morris

8/6/17 2:45pm

Yes, his BYU fandom is blinding him on the surface, but deep down he

Duke Silver

8/6/17 3:07pm

I chose BYU over Alabama/Duke. There are legitimate reasons athletes should too.

8/6/17 2:03pm

Who cares if the TE is catching the ball as long as somebody is?

Metallicat

8/6/17 2:03pm

BYU's athletic department is not very good

SouthernBlueBlood

8/6/17 2:05pm

In this thread: popular opinions that people think are unpopular.

BYU81

8/6/17 2:05pm

Cougartails are just long maple bars

8/6/17 2:06pm

He asked for opinons, not facts.

Duke Silver

8/6/17 2:09pm

Lol. You said long.

Y4LYFE

8/6/17 11:47pm

We need to quit trying to go back to lavell's offense,Stanford's would be better

Cashmeousside

8/6/17 2:06pm

we're running what Detmer ran in the NFL, not LaVell's O

fulano

8/6/17 2:09pm

Yeah I know, but the fans all clamor for lavell's O

Cashmeousside

8/6/17 2:11pm

A western wing of the AAC is our long term destination/best fit

SJS

8/6/17 2:07pm

Interesting

TNT

8/6/17 2:33pm

Oh stop. You aren't interested at all.

SJS

8/6/17 2:34pm

TNT has stated this for awhile. But CB got angry about the AAC thing

TNT

8/6/17 2:38pm

CB needs to deal with it

SJS

8/6/17 2:42pm

I agree with this!

boscatar

8/7/17 8:43am

The bibs were awesome!!!!

crimedog

8/6/17 2:07pm

Taysom Hill should've left the team after 2015

BYuckner

8/6/17 2:09pm

I'm not completely on board with Kalani until he proves he can beat Utah.

Cougarfan777

8/6/17 2:10pm

Riley Nelson would've been an all-time great if he didn't break his back

8/6/17 2:13pm

This is true. Riley, while a flawed QB, deserves tons of respect

SJS

8/6/17 2:16pm

Dude was a gladiator out there

TNT

8/6/17 2:39pm

No he wouldn't have

Kerbouchard

8/6/17 2:53pm

He suffered from 5 star letdown.

rtNelson

8/6/17 3:05pm

Not sure I agree with "all time great" but he was better than CB thinks he was

BeardedSpock

8/6/17 7:38pm

LOL .... deep breath .... LOL

8/7/17 7:19am

Ty Detmer (and I hate myself for saying this) has not proven to be a good OC yet

SJS

8/6/17 2:18pm

That is an unpopular opinion on CB?

bluelands

8/6/17 4:30pm

BYU's recruiting base would have been excellent for Ken N's flexbone offense

SJS

8/6/17 2:19pm

Not to mention personnel last year. Taysom, with algie, jamaal and squall

Cashmeousside

8/6/17 2:22pm

Event staff and grounds crew have way too much power and they abuse it to

8/6/17 2:20pm

We should let Air Force ROTC do field security again

SJS

8/6/17 2:21pm

All things being equal, BYU is a better choice

Madmartigan

8/6/17 2:22pm

But things aren't equal.

BlueFrog

8/6/17 2:36pm

I think you have misinterpreted

Madmartigan

8/6/17 3:57pm

Utah and BYU fans wouldn't be so high on Utah if they'd have lost to BYU half

8/6/17 2:23pm

Yes. This is true.

hammergm

8/6/17 8:38pm

Utah sports media really does have a Utah-slanted bias.

8/6/17 2:28pm

Greg Wrubell is awesome.

8/6/17 2:29pm

I find Dave McCann entertaining when he calls BYU Football games

Dr T-bone

8/6/17 2:40pm

Giggling out loud I am

towerman

8/6/17 4:41pm

Rivalry game is oveehyped

ChinoCoug

8/6/17 2:41pm

Unless we have decent seats, I prefer watching at home on TV

Paco

8/6/17 2:43pm

I loved watching Riley Nelson and Taysom last year

jcougars7

8/6/17 2:44pm

I loved Riley before the major injuries. I felt we Could win in any game

D.T. Survivor

8/6/17 3:51pm

I couldn't stand watching Riley. The Riley Nelson years were the hardest it's ever been for me to be a BYU football fan

MaxxPower

8/6/17 7:00pm

BYU made a horrible decision to cut out Wrestling & Men's Gymnastics in 1999

BamaCoug

8/6/17 2:47pm

Some of the influential decision makers in P5 conferences were wrestlers. Don't

Y2k

8/7/17 12:41am

No joke. Makes me sick.

ArchbishopMitty

8/7/17 1:21am

Title IX would be okay if they took football out of the equation.

slatecoug

8/7/17 8:16am

If BYU moved to P5 I think we would be just as far from the playoffs.

rtNelson

8/6/17 3:03pm

If $ weren't so important, I wish our games were on KSL on Saturday afternoons

D.T. Survivor

8/6/17 3:17pm

Ty's success as an OC will never come close to what many think

ColumbusCoug

8/6/17 3:20pm

I can't stand wrubell as our play by play guy...

freeedomguy

8/6/17 3:31pm

This is interesting. He gets excited, and is a huge homer. But is fun.

rtNelson

8/6/17 3:44pm

Absolutely, I guess mine stems from him going all Eeyore when BYU is down...

freeedomguy

8/6/17 3:48pm

Wow. Who DO you like doing PBP? I've been watching and listening for 50 years

TrueBlue58

8/6/17 5:03pm

LOL

BlueFrog

8/6/17 6:06pm

I enjoy listening to Fowler and Mcann when it is on byutv...

freeedomguy

8/7/17 8:34pm

I'm not the only one!?!?

8/7/17 1:01am

Almost every Utah fan I've met in person has been pretty fair

NacoCoug

8/6/17 3:32pm

I'm glad caffeine isn't served at LES

MaxxPower

8/6/17 3:32pm

What?!?!?!?! No!!!!!!! This can't be happening!!!!!

TNT

8/6/17 3:37pm

why?

8/6/17 3:42pm

Agreed.

ArchbishopMitty

8/6/17 4:30pm

Those cougar tails tho

rainorsnow

8/6/17 5:04pm

A) People enjoy the taste. B) Those are some sheltered kids

BigTD

8/6/17 7:31pm

Agreed.

BYUHgrad

8/6/17 5:22pm

For me, I see it as something that makes us unique. I'm all for that

Sir_Ten

8/6/17 10:02pm

Unique, in a bad way

Dissenter

8/7/17 12:30am

I love the popcorn popping song

MaxxPower

8/6/17 3:33pm

The O line is going to be middling at best.

HenderCoug

8/6/17 3:33pm

Most BYU fans don't appreciate how good we have it.

DanSmith

8/6/17 3:35pm

We just had this thread a week ago.

eddog

8/6/17 3:51pm

Bronco took us two steps forward then took three steps backward

CoogsWin

8/6/17 4:02pm

I agree. 8-5 < Crowton

ChinoCoug

8/6/17 7:19pm

Kalani will have a hard time beating Bronco's 9-win average over 11 seasons

BeardedSpock

8/6/17 7:41pm

And with kalanis schedule bronco would average 7-8

CoogsWin

8/6/17 9:55pm

The dark navy block-Y helmets of the Crowton era were amazing!

Sir_Ten

8/6/17 4:20pm

list:

1984coug

8/6/17 4:23pm

Utah isn't better than us.

Little Britches

8/6/17 4:27pm

Conversely, if magic doesnt happen, if Harline drops the ball, or if Andrew

Rise as Utes

8/6/17 10:27pm

Exactly. The games are always close, indicating the teams are close

Little Britches

8/7/17 7:28am

I truly believe if the student-athletes live right, it will manifest itself on

cornellcoug

8/6/17 4:44pm

#1. BYU will never go to a college playoff, let alone win another NC. #2...

FierceArc

8/7/17 2:28am

Oops... meant for OP.

FierceArc

8/7/17 2:28am

Why do we do this to ourselves?

8/6/17 4:52pm

That Sean Covey never should have started a game

Tom Trails

8/6/17 4:57pm

Independence is actually better than being in P5

8/6/17 5:08pm

I thought our O-Line did a good job last year

Judge Judy

8/6/17 5:14pm

and I think they'll be better this year

Judge Judy

8/6/17 5:17pm

I agree with the Judge

hammergm

8/6/17 8:42pm

I don't care whether or not fans wear team colors to games.

Roko's Basilisk

8/6/17 5:15pm

The vast, vast majority of BYU fans are idiots when it comes to football acumen.

8/6/17 5:21pm

And as such, being on CB during a game is the worst place to be.

8/6/17 5:25pm

Listening to the fan comments while watching a game in LES will confirm this

BeardedSpock

8/6/17 7:35pm

I don't like our offense and don't think it will work in this NCAA climate

darkcoug

8/6/17 5:46pm

BYU gets 8 wins this season and we lose to Utah.

Turd Furguson

8/6/17 5:50pm

Find me 5 losses (or 6 with a bowl game) on this schedule. I'll wait.

andrewg3

8/7/17 1:20pm

LSU, Utah, Wisc, BSU, Miss St. Oh, and if we manage to win one of these games

Turd Furguson

8/11/17 8:34am

Oh, and I think SwagDaddy is a way better RB than Staley.

Turd Furguson

8/6/17 5:53pm

That Squally never should have lost that year of elegibility.

lightmann

8/6/17 5:58pm

BYU will beat both LSU and Utah this year.

CopperLix

8/6/17 6:29pm

Taysom is vastly overrated by cb

Little Britches

8/6/17 6:43pm

Couldn't disagree more (which makes sense you'd bring it up)

hammergm

8/6/17 8:51pm

I should say that his final season was disappointing and his legacy overall

Little Britches

8/6/17 9:55pm

Didn't we just have this discussion a week ago?

8/6/17 6:51pm

Independence > P5

VGoodwin

8/6/17 7:04pm

BYU fans should not be allowed to talk about social justice issues.

ChinoCoug

8/6/17 7:21pm

Both Riley Nelson and Jake Heaps were better QBs than people think

BeardedSpock

8/6/17 7:31pm

Jake Heaps got screwed over in 2011. R Nelson should have never been a QB at BYU

Holy Driver

8/6/17 8:07pm

We would have been better off losing to Utah State than bringing in Riley

boorad

8/6/17 9:05pm

This thread is out of control. It takes 5 minutes to find a new post.

Paco

8/6/17 10:25pm

For awhile my goal in life was to make lots of $ so I could buy a suite at LES

CFMcK

8/6/17 10:30pm

Mo langi won't succeed and wasn't worth the scholarship

MikeDitka'sStache

8/6/17 10:31pm

If nothing else, the PR is worth it.

Paco

8/6/17 10:45pm

Have the same feeling but hope it's not true.

8/7/17 12:57am

So many options....

8/6/17 11:10pm

Mangum is a good QB.

conetah

8/6/17 11:18pm

I know this was meant as a reply to the OP.

8/6/17 11:21pm

I really liked the time Joe Glenn flipped the bird to Whittingham

DazeofBlue

8/7/17 12:47am

Same

8/7/17 12:57am

This may belong in the Popular Opinion category

tony

8/7/17 5:24am

We need to run the score up on Utah when we get the chance.

Y2k

8/7/17 12:57am

The love affair with coach Lamb is way over the top

StantonMac

8/7/17 6:12am

I like Bronco more than Kalani

coolblue

8/7/17 7:02am

Can't understand this, but okay.

Turd Furguson

8/7/17 7:57am

Bronco was Awesome.

Gorum the Old

8/7/17 9:13am

If by awesome you mean he was awesome at beating teams worse

Turd Furguson

8/7/17 10:32am

As a unit, our OL will be average.

RedSox

8/7/17 7:24am

They will Stomp on the "little 8", but will get completely stuffed vs the P5 Ds

Gorum the Old

8/7/17 9:19am

Taysom Hill was not accurate enough to be a legit pro style QB.

Quacker

8/7/17 8:09am

BYU should play Hawaii every year. Priority over Utah St. game.

boscatar

8/7/17 8:44am

I really liked Bronco's firesides.

Gorum the Old

8/7/17 9:25am

This thread is way too long. It hurts my thumb.

8/8/17 2:06am

Just thought of this one today- I hate Greg wrubells idiotic biased stats

1984coug

8/8/17 10:48pm

That Squally will be a bust.

Shore10

8/11/17 2:46am

GFGH is good for our offense and fit our geographical advantages

ChinoCoug

8/20/17 4:32am

Double edged sword... our defense was getting worn out after too many 15 second

1984coug

8/20/17 1:40pm

We still outscored opponents 3-to-1 in the 4th quarter in 2015 when we were

ChinoCoug

8/20/17 1:52pm

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ChinoCoug

8/20/17 1:59pm

Hey! Welcome to the party!

DrKennethNoisewater

8/20/17 4:29pm

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