I would not be opposed to keeping Ty as QB coach because I think he can add

Nov 19, 2017
9:07:40am

pinolero All-American

value and experience to the staff in that position as a coach and recruiter. I doubt he'll accept a demotion however. My guess is he's gone, the problems are too much to ignore.

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25 games IS a big enough sample size to tell you offensive coaching changes have

RockyBalboa

11/19/17 8:46am

33 ppg over the last 10 games of 2016. Do your research before you post.

Phcole

11/19/17 8:47am

You need to stop acting like Ty isn’t a problem also. It’s obvious he is.

The Dude Abides

11/19/17 8:57am

33 ppg puts us in the top 35 last year.

Phcole

11/19/17 9:10am

You're cherry-picking your stats

Ulysses14

11/19/17 9:12am

Not really. You just don't like that they prove the narrative wrong.

Phcole

11/19/17 9:31am

Does your research show we are actually good on offense?

BYUfan92

11/19/17 8:59am

Do you usually make arguments using old data?

SuperTank

11/19/17 9:04am

The argument made by the OP is that last year we sucked too. It's simply untrue.

Phcole

11/19/17 9:11am

We didn't totally suck, but at times we were pretty sucky.

BluesBrother

11/19/17 9:13am

Agreed. Particularly when we didn't have an NFL running back in the game.

Phcole

11/19/17 9:32am

Relook at your stats

macaroni

11/19/17 9:56am

Overall fpi = 67. That does not suck. That's barely below byu average.

Phcole

11/19/17 10:08am

Points scored in regulation is all I care about. They sucked. Outside of Toledo and WVU, they were bad.

macaroni

11/19/17 10:35am

Then our offense has sucked often in the last 7 years.

Phcole

11/19/17 10:45am

Not like this. This is literally the worst offense in almost 50 years. Period.

macaroni

11/19/17 12:59pm

Yes. Agree, this offense is bad. Last year, not so much.

Phcole

11/19/17 1:00pm

You may want to relook at your stats. The offense doesn’t get credit for defensive TDs, nor do they get credit for OT.

macaroni

11/19/17 9:56am

Take out defensive scores then see what our point total is per game.

budYu

11/19/17 10:00am

Ok, let me know when you've done that to the other top 50 ppg teams and I'll

Phcole

11/19/17 10:39am

Our D scored a lot more last year than normal. We were one of the better teams

budYu

11/19/17 1:25pm

So you're saying it's a talent issue?

Phcole

11/19/17 1:42pm

Mostly coaching but there was a talent drop off. Two decent QBs dropped

budYu

11/19/17 1:44pm

Hmmmmmmmm.... Remind me who the receivers were in 2015 vs 2016?

Phcole

11/19/17 1:49pm

Lets break down those 2016 games shall we

Malabarista

11/19/17 10:31am

Lol not sure you proved what you think you proved there. Do you believe other

Phcole

11/19/17 10:36am

I dont know how you came to the conclusion that I believe that every offense

Malabarista

11/19/17 10:45am

Your argument was that in the given sample size we cant come to conclusions abt

Malabarista

11/19/17 10:53am

Your inability to infer meaning from my post only proves my point.

Phcole

11/19/17 11:23am

Your inability to make a coherent point is the point.

Malabarista

11/19/17 1:08pm

When you've made that adjustment for the other top 50 ppg teams, let me know

Phcole

11/19/17 1:14pm

No, that is what you are doing.

Malabarista

11/19/17 1:31pm

I'm not changing the data for one team and leaving the others unadjusted.

Phcole

11/20/17 1:43pm

LOL. Seriously.

CougarLoyalist

11/20/17 11:15am

When your offense was utterly reliant on one player, you’ve got problems because

macaroni

11/19/17 1:10pm

We took a top 25 Boise team to the wire without him. We weren't that reliant on

Phcole

11/19/17 1:13pm

How did we score in that game? Did you already forget???

macaroni

11/19/17 1:37pm

Yes, that Boise State game is proof of a great offense. SMH

CougarLoyalist

11/20/17 11:16am

Keep doubling down, brother. If his name were Smith and never played at BYU,

macaroni

11/19/17 1:06pm

Fire ty, doesn't matter to me. This season was bad enough to justify it. No need

Phcole

11/19/17 1:11pm

WVU wasn't a good offensive game either. O had 4 TOs and a pick 6.

thebruce

11/19/17 1:31pm

I was OK with that game. It was reminiscent of the old days

CougarLoyalist

11/20/17 11:17am

Even our limited offensive success in 2016 was fool's gold ...

BluesBrother

11/19/17 8:49am

And our D was a turnover machine last year

Ulysses14

11/19/17 9:01am

Right. Didn't we get 6 TOs from Utah and still lose?!?

BluesBrother

11/19/17 9:10am

Against Utah and Boise State.

pinolero

11/19/17 9:12am

Two pick 6's and we still lost against Boise st.

budYu

11/19/17 10:01am

No accountability and a lack of hard work/effort in practice

The Dude Abides

11/19/17 8:49am

Sadly this seems most likely to be the case. Which is why we have seen

Phcole

11/19/17 8:55am

I’m sure he’ll get another year. As will Ty. Let’s hope they learn a ton about helping our players be successful

The Dude Abides

11/19/17 8:59am

I'm hoping. Because I can't take another season like this.

Phcole

11/19/17 9:32am

The program needs an overhaul. More accountability starting with the little things. Follow the example of the

slowhiteguy

11/19/17 8:56am

I would not be opposed to keeping Ty as QB coach because I think he can add

pinolero

11/19/17 9:07am

I'm going to go out on a limb here,

JerryAtric

11/19/17 9:15am

Problems on both sides of the ball.

Coogar2

11/19/17 9:54am

I agree that offense is a problem, but question how much is also a HC problem

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