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Jul 18, 2018
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Scratch
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Exactly right. He needs to play third. And he’s not close to Trout,
He’s probably not even a top 10 player, especially not as a shortstop. He’s having a career year offensively and is barely in the top 50 in WAR.
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I like the Machado trade, however it's a big gamble. If he doesn't resign in the
SoValleyCOUG
7/18/18 7:59pm
He isn't resigning with LA. Also, it's not Machado or Trout.
shimmy
7/18/18 8:03pm
Dodgers were anticipating landing a big free agent. I bet they land him to a
fiberpost
7/18/18 8:11pm
Exactly right. He needs to play third. And he’s not close to Trout,
Scratch
7/18/18 8:14pm
Oh really....
SoValleyCOUG
7/18/18 8:25pm
Trout has been more than twice as good as Machado this year. Any advanced stat
Scratch
7/18/18 8:42pm
Did you just post avg to prove your point? What about OPS, remembering that Machado plays in a band box.
shimmy
7/18/18 8:45pm
Yea....batting avg, RBI's, HR's, hits...all insignificant stats. My bad.
SoValleyCOUG
7/18/18 8:52pm
HRs are important. BA is meaningful but not terribly important. RBIs are
Scratch
7/18/18 8:54pm
LOL...Ok. Keep in mind that Machado played on the worst team in baseball.
SoValleyCOUG
7/18/18 10:11pm
Not much protection, but more than Trout. Plus “lineup protection” makes almost
Scratch
7/18/18 10:14pm
Disagree with that. If the guys in the lineup are terrible hitters, you won't
SoValleyCOUG
7/18/18 10:38pm
Studies show the difference is meaningless. Lots of data on this. And if you're
Scratch
7/18/18 10:41pm
It's been fun debating ya on Dodgerboard! I'm done for the night.
SoValleyCOUG
7/18/18 10:53pm
Not insignificant (other than rbi) but utterly inferior. Seriously, just look at obp. That's an old Stat that is light
shimmy
7/18/18 8:58pm
...we have so much more work to do...someday.
TCuz
7/18/18 9:18pm
Here's some relevant stats for you:
TCuz
7/18/18 9:25pm
BTW, this is Machado's best offensive season ever. It would be Trout's worst.
TCuz
7/18/18 9:28pm
So Machado leading Trout in batting avg, RBI's and hits has no relevance?
SoValleyCOUG
7/18/18 10:09pm
I’m a huge dodger fan, but comparing the manny to the best player
JOPE
7/18/18 10:15pm
Trouts been better overall since their careers started. I'm comparing what they
SoValleyCOUG
7/18/18 10:27pm
And when we compare what they've done so far this season we see that Trout has
Scratch
7/18/18 10:42pm
See above on protection. And the differences in RBIs and hits is meaningless.
Scratch
7/18/18 10:18pm
To answer your first question, yes! Now we are getting somewhere!
TCuz
7/18/18 10:22pm
Do you have inside info on where he's signing in offseason?
SoValleyCOUG
7/18/18 8:15pm
No but the Dodgers have Seager and Turner.
shimmy
7/18/18 8:24pm
That's right. The Dodgers probably have more utility players than anyone.
SoValleyCOUG
7/18/18 8:27pm
Machado is the worst defensive SS in baseball.
shimmy
7/18/18 8:38pm
Yea, two gold gloves...what an amateur.
SoValleyCOUG
7/18/18 8:56pm
Lololol! How many of those gold gloves were at shortstop, champ? I'll wait for your answer.
shimmy
7/18/18 8:57pm
Of course he was at 3rd. He prefers playing SS. I'll trust his opinion over u.
SoValleyCOUG
7/18/18 8:59pm
I'll trust DRS over Machado. He is the worst SS in baseball by DRS. Historically bad.
shimmy
7/18/18 9:01pm
Historically bad? You act like he's been at SS for 20 years now.
SoValleyCOUG
7/18/18 10:13pm
His preference doesn’t make a difference in how good he is. He is an absolutely
Scratch
7/18/18 9:01pm
I prefer to DH for the Indians over my current job. See you guys at the stadium.
shimmy
7/18/18 9:03pm
I’m a pitcher. And cleanup hitter. See you there.
Scratch
7/18/18 9:03pm
Yes, if the Dodgers want to be completely inefficient they could do that.
Scratch
7/18/18 8:43pm
You really have no clue about the Dodgers do you?
SoValleyCOUG
7/18/18 8:57pm
Says the guy who just cited Machado's gold gloves at third base as evidence of his defensive prowess at shortstop.
shimmy
7/18/18 9:00pm
Citing his defensive prowness. He's considered elite on defense.
SoValleyCOUG
7/18/18 10:12pm
At third base. Do you know that in baseball there are 9 different positions that
Scratch
7/18/18 10:22pm
So with that logic, an elite pitcher isn't really elite because there are 8
SoValleyCOUG
7/18/18 10:29pm
No. What you're saying is that we should assume a pitcher will be good at
Scratch
7/18/18 10:46pm
Holy cow
shimmy
7/18/18 11:51pm
Apparently a lot more than at least one person in this thread. A lot more.
Scratch
7/18/18 9:03pm
Says the guy who dismissed BA and RBI's. Yea...you know a lot!LOL
SoValleyCOUG
7/18/18 10:15pm
Yes I do. This stuff is settled and you are not right.
Scratch
7/18/18 10:23pm
Says the guy who says cigarettes are bad for you. LOL! Doctors smoke too!
TCuz
7/18/18 10:24pm
I shall not speak ill of Justin Turner, who was a key member of last year's
BoiseBlue
7/18/18 9:01pm
They could resign him if he agrees to play 3rd
JOPE
7/18/18 10:18pm
Not sure I’d trust Turner at 2B. It would be an interesting experiment.
Scratch
7/18/18 10:26pm
He’s played 132 games at second, but at this point in his career
JOPE
7/18/18 10:49pm
Yeah, but not much time there since 2011. I agree with you that he probably
Scratch
7/18/18 11:13pm
I'd love to see Machado, Seager and Turner in the infield
SoValleyCOUG
7/18/18 10:42pm
They still need pitching, including possibly another closer if Jansen struggles
UNLVcougar
7/18/18 8:05pm
Agreed. Hope they can bolster the bullpen.
SoValleyCOUG
7/18/18 8:11pm
The prospects they are sending aren’t a big deal. None of these guys are
Scratch
7/18/18 8:10pm
They are good prospects, Diaz being the best.
SoValleyCOUG
7/18/18 8:14pm
Diaz is barely a top 100 prospect. Look at the track record of prospects in that
Scratch
7/18/18 8:21pm
Well if that turns out to be true then it was a good trade.
SoValleyCOUG
7/18/18 8:29pm
I agree. Outside of Diaz, who’s probably their 4-5 best prospect, the others
DrJaggers
7/18/18 8:27pm
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