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Jul 18, 2018
10:46:04pm

Scratch All-American

No. What you're saying is that we should assume a pitcher will be good at

something else because he is a good pitcher. You said he is an elite defender at short and that his old gloves mean he is good at short. That's what you're saying. It's a weak argument to start out with and the defensive metrics show is completely untrue.

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I like the Machado trade, however it's a big gamble. If he doesn't resign in the

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 7:59pm

He isn't resigning with LA. Also, it's not Machado or Trout.

shimmy

7/18/18 8:03pm

Dodgers were anticipating landing a big free agent. I bet they land him to a

fiberpost

7/18/18 8:11pm

Exactly right. He needs to play third. And he’s not close to Trout,

Scratch

7/18/18 8:14pm

Oh really....

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 8:25pm

Trout has been more than twice as good as Machado this year. Any advanced stat

Scratch

7/18/18 8:42pm

Did you just post avg to prove your point? What about OPS, remembering that Machado plays in a band box.

shimmy

7/18/18 8:45pm

Yea....batting avg, RBI's, HR's, hits...all insignificant stats. My bad.

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 8:52pm

HRs are important. BA is meaningful but not terribly important. RBIs are

Scratch

7/18/18 8:54pm

LOL...Ok. Keep in mind that Machado played on the worst team in baseball.

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 10:11pm

Not much protection, but more than Trout. Plus “lineup protection” makes almost

Scratch

7/18/18 10:14pm

Disagree with that. If the guys in the lineup are terrible hitters, you won't

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 10:38pm

Studies show the difference is meaningless. Lots of data on this. And if you're

Scratch

7/18/18 10:41pm

It's been fun debating ya on Dodgerboard! I'm done for the night.

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 10:53pm

Not insignificant (other than rbi) but utterly inferior. Seriously, just look at obp. That's an old Stat that is light

shimmy

7/18/18 8:58pm

...we have so much more work to do...someday.

TCuz

7/18/18 9:18pm

Here's some relevant stats for you:

TCuz

7/18/18 9:25pm

BTW, this is Machado's best offensive season ever. It would be Trout's worst.

TCuz

7/18/18 9:28pm

So Machado leading Trout in batting avg, RBI's and hits has no relevance?

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 10:09pm

I’m a huge dodger fan, but comparing the manny to the best player

JOPE

7/18/18 10:15pm

Trouts been better overall since their careers started. I'm comparing what they

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 10:27pm

And when we compare what they've done so far this season we see that Trout has

Scratch

7/18/18 10:42pm

See above on protection. And the differences in RBIs and hits is meaningless.

Scratch

7/18/18 10:18pm

To answer your first question, yes! Now we are getting somewhere!

TCuz

7/18/18 10:22pm

Do you have inside info on where he's signing in offseason?

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 8:15pm

No but the Dodgers have Seager and Turner.

shimmy

7/18/18 8:24pm

That's right. The Dodgers probably have more utility players than anyone.

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 8:27pm

Machado is the worst defensive SS in baseball.

shimmy

7/18/18 8:38pm

Yea, two gold gloves...what an amateur.

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 8:56pm

Lololol! How many of those gold gloves were at shortstop, champ? I'll wait for your answer.

shimmy

7/18/18 8:57pm

Of course he was at 3rd. He prefers playing SS. I'll trust his opinion over u.

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 8:59pm

I'll trust DRS over Machado. He is the worst SS in baseball by DRS. Historically bad.

shimmy

7/18/18 9:01pm

Historically bad? You act like he's been at SS for 20 years now.

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 10:13pm

His preference doesn’t make a difference in how good he is. He is an absolutely

Scratch

7/18/18 9:01pm

I prefer to DH for the Indians over my current job. See you guys at the stadium.

shimmy

7/18/18 9:03pm

I’m a pitcher. And cleanup hitter. See you there.

Scratch

7/18/18 9:03pm

Yes, if the Dodgers want to be completely inefficient they could do that.

Scratch

7/18/18 8:43pm

You really have no clue about the Dodgers do you?

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 8:57pm

Says the guy who just cited Machado's gold gloves at third base as evidence of his defensive prowess at shortstop.

shimmy

7/18/18 9:00pm

Citing his defensive prowness. He's considered elite on defense.

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 10:12pm

At third base. Do you know that in baseball there are 9 different positions that

Scratch

7/18/18 10:22pm

So with that logic, an elite pitcher isn't really elite because there are 8

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 10:29pm

No. What you're saying is that we should assume a pitcher will be good at

Scratch

7/18/18 10:46pm

Holy cow

shimmy

7/18/18 11:51pm

Apparently a lot more than at least one person in this thread. A lot more.

Scratch

7/18/18 9:03pm

Says the guy who dismissed BA and RBI's. Yea...you know a lot!LOL

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 10:15pm

Yes I do. This stuff is settled and you are not right.

Scratch

7/18/18 10:23pm

Says the guy who says cigarettes are bad for you. LOL! Doctors smoke too!

TCuz

7/18/18 10:24pm

I shall not speak ill of Justin Turner, who was a key member of last year's

BoiseBlue

7/18/18 9:01pm

They could resign him if he agrees to play 3rd

JOPE

7/18/18 10:18pm

Not sure I’d trust Turner at 2B. It would be an interesting experiment.

Scratch

7/18/18 10:26pm

He’s played 132 games at second, but at this point in his career

JOPE

7/18/18 10:49pm

Yeah, but not much time there since 2011. I agree with you that he probably

Scratch

7/18/18 11:13pm

I'd love to see Machado, Seager and Turner in the infield

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 10:42pm

They still need pitching, including possibly another closer if Jansen struggles

UNLVcougar

7/18/18 8:05pm

Agreed. Hope they can bolster the bullpen.

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 8:11pm

The prospects they are sending aren’t a big deal. None of these guys are

Scratch

7/18/18 8:10pm

They are good prospects, Diaz being the best.

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 8:14pm

Diaz is barely a top 100 prospect. Look at the track record of prospects in that

Scratch

7/18/18 8:21pm

Well if that turns out to be true then it was a good trade.

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 8:29pm

I agree. Outside of Diaz, who’s probably their 4-5 best prospect, the others

DrJaggers

7/18/18 8:27pm

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