I’m a huge dodger fan, but comparing the manny to the best player

Jul 18, 2018
10:15:32pm

JOPE All-American

In baseball is insane. Advanced metric don’t lie. Machado is one of the top 10 players, but Trout is clearly number 1. Too bad he is wasting away on the Angels. Moreno is terrible.

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I like the Machado trade, however it's a big gamble. If he doesn't resign in the

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 7:59pm

He isn't resigning with LA. Also, it's not Machado or Trout.

shimmy

7/18/18 8:03pm

Dodgers were anticipating landing a big free agent. I bet they land him to a

fiberpost

7/18/18 8:11pm

Exactly right. He needs to play third. And he’s not close to Trout,

Scratch

7/18/18 8:14pm

Oh really....

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 8:25pm

Trout has been more than twice as good as Machado this year. Any advanced stat

Scratch

7/18/18 8:42pm

Did you just post avg to prove your point? What about OPS, remembering that Machado plays in a band box.

shimmy

7/18/18 8:45pm

Yea....batting avg, RBI's, HR's, hits...all insignificant stats. My bad.

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 8:52pm

HRs are important. BA is meaningful but not terribly important. RBIs are

Scratch

7/18/18 8:54pm

LOL...Ok. Keep in mind that Machado played on the worst team in baseball.

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 10:11pm

Not much protection, but more than Trout. Plus “lineup protection” makes almost

Scratch

7/18/18 10:14pm

Disagree with that. If the guys in the lineup are terrible hitters, you won't

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 10:38pm

Studies show the difference is meaningless. Lots of data on this. And if you're

Scratch

7/18/18 10:41pm

It's been fun debating ya on Dodgerboard! I'm done for the night.

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 10:53pm

Not insignificant (other than rbi) but utterly inferior. Seriously, just look at obp. That's an old Stat that is light

shimmy

7/18/18 8:58pm

...we have so much more work to do...someday.

TCuz

7/18/18 9:18pm

Here's some relevant stats for you:

TCuz

7/18/18 9:25pm

BTW, this is Machado's best offensive season ever. It would be Trout's worst.

TCuz

7/18/18 9:28pm

So Machado leading Trout in batting avg, RBI's and hits has no relevance?

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 10:09pm

I’m a huge dodger fan, but comparing the manny to the best player

JOPE

7/18/18 10:15pm

Trouts been better overall since their careers started. I'm comparing what they

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 10:27pm

And when we compare what they've done so far this season we see that Trout has

Scratch

7/18/18 10:42pm

See above on protection. And the differences in RBIs and hits is meaningless.

Scratch

7/18/18 10:18pm

To answer your first question, yes! Now we are getting somewhere!

TCuz

7/18/18 10:22pm

Do you have inside info on where he's signing in offseason?

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 8:15pm

No but the Dodgers have Seager and Turner.

shimmy

7/18/18 8:24pm

That's right. The Dodgers probably have more utility players than anyone.

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 8:27pm

Machado is the worst defensive SS in baseball.

shimmy

7/18/18 8:38pm

Yea, two gold gloves...what an amateur.

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 8:56pm

Lololol! How many of those gold gloves were at shortstop, champ? I'll wait for your answer.

shimmy

7/18/18 8:57pm

Of course he was at 3rd. He prefers playing SS. I'll trust his opinion over u.

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 8:59pm

I'll trust DRS over Machado. He is the worst SS in baseball by DRS. Historically bad.

shimmy

7/18/18 9:01pm

Historically bad? You act like he's been at SS for 20 years now.

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 10:13pm

His preference doesn’t make a difference in how good he is. He is an absolutely

Scratch

7/18/18 9:01pm

I prefer to DH for the Indians over my current job. See you guys at the stadium.

shimmy

7/18/18 9:03pm

I’m a pitcher. And cleanup hitter. See you there.

Scratch

7/18/18 9:03pm

Yes, if the Dodgers want to be completely inefficient they could do that.

Scratch

7/18/18 8:43pm

You really have no clue about the Dodgers do you?

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 8:57pm

Says the guy who just cited Machado's gold gloves at third base as evidence of his defensive prowess at shortstop.

shimmy

7/18/18 9:00pm

Citing his defensive prowness. He's considered elite on defense.

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 10:12pm

At third base. Do you know that in baseball there are 9 different positions that

Scratch

7/18/18 10:22pm

So with that logic, an elite pitcher isn't really elite because there are 8

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 10:29pm

No. What you're saying is that we should assume a pitcher will be good at

Scratch

7/18/18 10:46pm

Holy cow

shimmy

7/18/18 11:51pm

Apparently a lot more than at least one person in this thread. A lot more.

Scratch

7/18/18 9:03pm

Says the guy who dismissed BA and RBI's. Yea...you know a lot!LOL

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 10:15pm

Yes I do. This stuff is settled and you are not right.

Scratch

7/18/18 10:23pm

Says the guy who says cigarettes are bad for you. LOL! Doctors smoke too!

TCuz

7/18/18 10:24pm

I shall not speak ill of Justin Turner, who was a key member of last year's

BoiseBlue

7/18/18 9:01pm

They could resign him if he agrees to play 3rd

JOPE

7/18/18 10:18pm

Not sure I’d trust Turner at 2B. It would be an interesting experiment.

Scratch

7/18/18 10:26pm

He’s played 132 games at second, but at this point in his career

JOPE

7/18/18 10:49pm

Yeah, but not much time there since 2011. I agree with you that he probably

Scratch

7/18/18 11:13pm

I'd love to see Machado, Seager and Turner in the infield

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 10:42pm

They still need pitching, including possibly another closer if Jansen struggles

UNLVcougar

7/18/18 8:05pm

Agreed. Hope they can bolster the bullpen.

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 8:11pm

The prospects they are sending aren’t a big deal. None of these guys are

Scratch

7/18/18 8:10pm

They are good prospects, Diaz being the best.

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 8:14pm

Diaz is barely a top 100 prospect. Look at the track record of prospects in that

Scratch

7/18/18 8:21pm

Well if that turns out to be true then it was a good trade.

SoValleyCOUG

7/18/18 8:29pm

I agree. Outside of Diaz, who’s probably their 4-5 best prospect, the others

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